On behalf of the upcoming changes to Icecrown, Neltharion and Frostwolf

[OneOfAKind]

This just all seems like a bad dream, I can't for the life of me figure out why kaer wolf would abandon all high rate servers and kill off a great server for the casual gamer. Who has time to grind rep on all their alts, this is why I chose to play on 20x ragnaros in the first place.
The average gamer these days is married , with kids and a full time job, I'm sure I can speak for most when I say they don't wanna spend 7x as long grinding rep and profs. Not to mention any new player to the server now has a bigger hill to climb to become competitive, so I'm sure we will see even more useless and naked players in BGs.
I really hope they change their minds on the rate decrease, it mainly just punishes the casual gamer.

But why do you need to have everything rigth now? I know you will not like to grind for proffesion all the time, but what about giving it some time? Do some one day, and progress trough a week or two?

Do you want to be maxed on everything at day one? Because if you want to be max at day one, why not play a instant 80 server?

I myself does not have the time to play everyday, some days I can play 1-3 hours maybe. I go study, work, gym, friends, family etc, still I accept the changes. I like to have to work for some stuff.

What I want to ask, what do you do when you are all maxed out on all characters? I know you can keep pvping, but you will not achive any gear from it - because you will already be having it, if it is to high rated.
I am not saying that it should be like Lordaeron as many people think, but I think it is a great way to give people something to work for - something that will keep the server alive. If you have everything maxed, and you are playing for a year. Do you really think it will be fun to be maxed 10/10 for a year? Or do you think it will be more fun to have something to do, not much but just to keep u busy from time to time, while u for example wait for a bg, a raid?

I can see the problem for new commers tho, people that has been here has already maxed a lot, a lot easier. Even tho, the server is old - it will just be the same as joining a old server where people have played alot.

[Ghinbedi]

You are forgetting that Lordaeron and Icecrown are not the same even if the rates are. Lordaeron does not have RDF enabled and the bosses are buffed - by making the rates more like Lordaeron, Icecrown will more a more friendly but also very blizzlike for people.

How does not prof rates effect the economy? Easier to level up the proffesion means that you can easier sell better items. It migth not make a huge diffrence, but thats the point. Making small changes that will not make to much diffrence for the players.

I think it is funny that people complain about that they have already played wotlk, so you can't do some stuff. Well, you are chosing to play wotlk now, so stop complaining.

They have also now released this information in such a good time before it actually will happen, that you can complete all these problems you have before they change the rates.

It is funny with people that say that they dont want to do something, because they have already done everything on wotlkk a million times, yet they play.

Molten/warmane used to give ppl choices about the rates they wanted to play on, now they're slowing taking that away. blizz like? why not focus attention on fixing quest instead of nuking everyone cash like it was a crime to become wealthy, and less dependant on daily grinding. And to answer your last question, higher rates is precisely why ppl play here simply because they can enjoy pve and pvp content without the grind.

you only joined us on may 21, 2016. Not having experienced the major data wipe last year means that you never actually experienced what is like to loose everything and start all over from scratch. Major changes like this affect players across the board, and frankly it makes older players weary.

I've seen ppl complain about how Lordaeron shouldnt be compared to icecrown, yet somehow Lordaeron's supposed to be the model for every other realm to be built on? Isn's that a little hypocritical?
Frankly with wow fans of various legacy expansions growing older, a lot of ppl simply dont have the time to deal with having to travel all over the damn map for one single node of resource like you did back in retail's prime. If they do have the time, there's always lordaeron. Daily player statistics is a very clear indication of how many ppl wants to play on an absolute 1x realm, taking choices away from your community seems like a poor excuse for not having better and rewarding gold sinks. Millionaires will always exist in this game, simply because the realms are pretty much going to be stuck on their respective expansions, making that process slower is hardly a "fix" on the economy. Newcomers who loved the expansion but don't have time to be a hardcore grinder will be left out, and they will look elsewhere.

[OneOfAKind]

you only joined us on may 21, 2016. Not having experienced the major data wipe last year means that you never actually experienced what is like to loose everything and start all over from scratch. Major changes like this affect players across the board, and frankly it makes older players weary.

You know that this migth not be my only account, and I migth have played while it was molten wow too... thougth of that?

[Ghinbedi]

You know that this migth not be my only account, and I migth have played while it was molten wow too... thougth of that?

in that case, would you kindly show us that you've been part of our community far longer than that?

[Sjokomelkbeast]

in that case, would you kindly show us that you've been part of our community far longer than that?

Hello :) I see no reason why someone would lie about something like that. Lol.

I can't show you anything before the moltdown tho, but I played on a 20x server called sargereas.

[Ghinbedi]

Hello :) I see no reason why someone would lie about something like that. Lol.

I can't show you anything before the moltdown tho, but I played on a 20x server called sargereas.

in that case i wont press on the matter

however i'd still like to readdress my point that the choice between a fast and slow realm should be best given onto the player themselves. Forcing existing players out of their comfort zone is not the way to promote stability and growth for the server

as long as the realms stick to their respective expansions, we will never be 100% blizz-like, because blizz servers move on, we dont.
millionaires aren't the ones taking the biggest hit after the rate and gold cuts, new players will

[Russkov]

Molten/warmane used to give ppl choices about the rates they wanted to play on, now they're slowing taking that away. blizz like? why not focus attention on fixing quest instead of nuking everyone cash like it was a crime to become wealthy, and less dependant on daily grinding. And to answer your last question, higher rates is precisely why ppl play here simply because they can enjoy pve and pvp content without the grind.

you only joined us on may 21, 2016. Not having experienced the major data wipe last year means that you never actually experienced what is like to loose everything and start all over from scratch. Major changes like this affect players across the board, and frankly it makes older players weary.

I've seen ppl complain about how Lordaeron shouldnt be compared to icecrown, yet somehow Lordaeron's supposed to be the model for every other realm to be built on? Isn's that a little hypocritical?
Frankly with wow fans of various legacy expansions growing older, a lot of ppl simply dont have the time to deal with having to travel all over the damn map for one single node of resource like you did back in retail's prime. If they do have the time, there's always lordaeron. Daily player statistics is a very clear indication of how many ppl wants to play on an absolute 1x realm, taking choices away from your community seems like a poor excuse for not having better and rewarding gold sinks. Millionaires will always exist in this game, simply because the realms are pretty much going to be stuck on their respective expansions, making that process slower is hardly a "fix" on the economy. Newcomers who loved the expansion but don't have time to be a hardcore grinder will be left out, and they will look elsewhere.

Keep in mind that people who play Icecrown/Frostwolf/Neltharion chose the x7. Reasons are individual, but there are lots of other servers around the world (even lower rates than x7) but people chose to play here on a x7. I don't personally care about gold wipe because, as I said, auction values will be lower but buying/selling power will be the same if not higher for rich people and lower for poor people. You can't just low rates like that because you want, and if you take a look at feedback, I could say 80% of people is against. Even if not all players enter forums, it speaks for itself (also Admins could start a poll and annouce it from time to time ingame so people who don't enter forums can vote).
Much is said about time matters, but many WoW players nowdays are 20 or even 30+ years old and have responsabilities, so if we choose to play on a x7, a x10, or whatever high rates is because we want a fast farming (in opposition to a long term x1 farming) but don't want insta top lvl servers. It's mid-rates like they call it, mid terms.

[TheSerbian]

I dont see why is everyone complaining.

1. Dropping prof to x1
- It opens a huge market, people will now sell & buy low level materials waaaay more than it was before. If you dont like grinding at x1, do it before October 1st.

2. Reputation to x1
- Nothing positive to say about this subject since it will make problems for fresh level 80's that wanna get reputation gear easily. Afterall they expect x7 experience but oh well... Maybe instead of making reputations x1, increase prices of all reputation vendors by x10 or such but that would also make things such as choppers and such 10x more expensive than they should be.

3. Gold from x7 to x3
- Getting things for low levels will be exactly the same. People qqing like "But you will get only x3 gold", yes, correct, but you gain same amount of gold's when selling stuff at vendors etc.



Afterall, I understand why is everyone upset, you chose to play on x7 server not on the x1, but please bare in mind these changes might be revoked in the future. I see them as a temporarly fix for the economy which is indeed ****ed up.

[Angelfire]

I dont see why is everyone complaining.

1. Dropping prof to x1
- It opens a huge market, people will now sell & buy low level materials waaaay more than it was before. If you dont like grinding at x1, do it before October 1st.

2. Reputation to x1
- Nothing positive to say about this subject since it will make problems for fresh level 80's that wanna get reputation gear easily. Afterall they expect x7 experience but oh well... Maybe instead of making reputations x1, increase prices of all reputation vendors by x10 or such but that would also make things such as choppers and such 10x more expensive than they should be.

3. Gold from x7 to x3
- Getting things for low levels will be exactly the same. People qqing like "But you will get only x3 gold", yes, correct, but you gain same amount of gold's when selling stuff at vendors etc.



Afterall, I understand why is everyone upset, you chose to play on x7 server not on the x1, but please bare in mind these changes might be revoked in the future. I see them as a temporarly fix for the economy which is indeed ****ed up.

Hello Serbian, No one is complaining. Allot of players are concerned that the upcoming changes will not benefit the community, but hinder it. And this applies
(TO ALL REALMS.)

[Ghinbedi]

Keep in mind that people who play Icecrown/Frostwolf/Neltharion chose the x7. Reasons are individual, but there are lots of other servers around the world (even lower rates than x7) but people chose to play here on a x7. I don't personally care about gold wipe because, as I said, auction values will be lower but buying/selling power will be the same if not higher for rich people and lower for poor people. You can't just low rates like that because you want, and if you take a look at feedback, I could say 80% of people is against. Even if not all players enter forums, it speaks for itself (also Admins could start a poll and annouce it from time to time ingame so people who don't enter forums can vote).
Much is said about time matters, but many WoW players nowdays are 20 or even 30+ years old and have responsabilities, so if we choose to play on a x7, a x10, or whatever high rates is because we want a fast farming (in opposition to a long term x1 farming) but don't want insta top lvl servers. It's mid-rates like they call it, mid terms.

exactly, which is why i'm opposed to the proposed changes

[Ghinbedi]

I dont see why is everyone complaining.

1. Dropping prof to x1
- It opens a huge market, people will now sell & buy low level materials waaaay more than it was before. If you dont like grinding at x1, do it before October 1st.

2. Reputation to x1
- Nothing positive to say about this subject since it will make problems for fresh level 80's that wanna get reputation gear easily. Afterall they expect x7 experience but oh well... Maybe instead of making reputations x1, increase prices of all reputation vendors by x10 or such but that would also make things such as choppers and such 10x more expensive than they should be.

3. Gold from x7 to x3
- Getting things for low levels will be exactly the same. People qqing like "But you will get only x3 gold", yes, correct, but you gain same amount of gold's when selling stuff at vendors etc.



Afterall, I understand why is everyone upset, you chose to play on x7 server not on the x1, but please bare in mind these changes might be revoked in the future. I see them as a temporarly fix for the economy which is indeed ****ed up.

it's gonna take a few miracles for them to revoke any of these changes, but at least those who oppose these new changes will at least have tried to stop them.

"at least tried" is a tiny bit better than lay down and submit.

[esme]

There is 1 thing Warmane will never be able to calculate. And that is the number of potential new players that will simply choose never to play here at all after these changes are made. Seeing x1 for professions and rep is a HUGE turnoff for most people looking to play these older expansions, not to mention a deterrent to existing players to stick around leveling alts knowing they will have to deal with this nonsense after choosing to play on a high rate realm.
I just can't help feeling like their plan to extend these grinds so players wont get bored as soon and leave, is just going to backfire on them.

Yep, new players looking for a server will see these rates...and just keep on lookin. Warmane will never know of all the new players they could have had, but lost before they even got started. Warmane will once again hurt themselves.

[Russkov]

I dont see why is everyone complaining.

1. Dropping prof to x1
- It opens a huge market, people will now sell & buy low level materials waaaay more than it was before. If you dont like grinding at x1, do it before October 1st.

2. Reputation to x1
- Nothing positive to say about this subject since it will make problems for fresh level 80's that wanna get reputation gear easily. Afterall they expect x7 experience but oh well... Maybe instead of making reputations x1, increase prices of all reputation vendors by x10 or such but that would also make things such as choppers and such 10x more expensive than they should be.

3. Gold from x7 to x3
- Getting things for low levels will be exactly the same. People qqing like "But you will get only x3 gold", yes, correct, but you gain same amount of gold's when selling stuff at vendors etc.



Afterall, I understand why is everyone upset, you chose to play on x7 server not on the x1, but please bare in mind these changes might be revoked in the future. I see them as a temporarly fix for the economy which is indeed ****ed up.

1. I think there's a mistake on thinking that. Staff says "people will have to grind more for leveling profs, and if they don't want to grind, marketplace will have mats for all levels". Saying this, means if you don't want to farm copper ores or light leathers, marketplace will be full of them because many people will sell and market prices will low because of the offer.
That will happen, yes, but first not all people will buy because not al 80's have gold to expend and second I see at this moment 80's grinding mats on lowbies spots. Awesome :D

2. Adding that, it'll make problems to newcomers, those the Staff want to benefit (lol).

3. Like someone earlier said, problems are high gold rates and the exp -> gold when you do quests on max level. They should adjust rates and also that factor because is nonsense.

[Neelya]

^ this ! Totally agree.

[Swarmer]

When changes like this happen the best thing to do is to take a break for some time. The first couple of weeks will be a disaster.

But reading forums will be fun so ill have that