Lately a lot of drama between certain guilds has been around. I've been quiet for now seeing most of the things that have been happening and discussing most of this issues with my guild members. I didn't say a word until now;
It's quite impressive and disturbing how three different guilds did one, or several, Light of Dawn achievements with exploits.
None of them got punished. The thing that frustrates me even more is the fact that evidences does exist and nothing happens to them. As a member of this community one of my main interests is justice. One of the things that all of the guilds that I raid with - And many others that I've raided with such - are forced to do is do things in a legit way. No exploits. No cheating. This is a blizzlike server and not a fun server. If I wanted to get my achievements with exploits I would go to a fun server. That's one of the main reasons why I still play in Warmane (Include Molten since 2009/2010), 'cause justice was used. But now I'm questioning;
What's the point of forcing my guilds doing everything legit when other guilds have a free pass to exploit and get items worth 150 coins through exploits?
There are several videos that proof every single exploit. We all know, as experienced players, that this shouldn't happen. It's not legit. It's not Blizzlike! Since I've seen most of the guilds that I've been in doing ICC25HC correctly I expect my "rival guilds" doing the same. When someone exploits and gets the same benefits (no punishment apparently?) as me when I do everything legit since I don't want to be banned - There's no point in keeping all the raid legit. I'm sorry, but there isn't. As example; I did pay for my Shadowmourne. Then I see someone exploiting and gets the "award" of getting a free Shadowmourne. Being a criminal pays apparently.
:All I want to ask to the GM's, Head GM's, Warmane Staff - Please, for the love of God - I'm not here to tell you how to do your job. But please - Be fair to your community. Whoever exploits needs to be punished in the same way that players abuse the botting system. I believe in your sense of justice. Please, do something about this. Make all the effort of the legit guilds be worth. Make all of the sweat of the legit players be worth. Remember that you have more players that play fairly than exploiters. As a member of your community for almost 7 long years: Make something happen about this. Don't allow exploiters to go unpunished. I'm not talking for myself: But for all of my guild members that I've forced to do everything properly; For several players from multiple guilds that hate this exact same situation. I'll be here waiting for any kind of feedback
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LoD Guilds Exploits
Edited: March 15, 2016
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Member
Without naming any guild in particular but to the GM staff I would also like to say:
If you're not going to ban the guilds who are guilty of this, then at least strip away the title and achievement.
No form of consistent punishment is exactly why it continued in the first place.
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Banned
I agree 100% with this. As a player that applies all of his blood, sweat and tears to his achievements in order to make it legit with legit tactics every single time I support all of this wall of text. I'm already one of those players that state that the LK fight itself is buggy enough (ex: Nectrotic Plague killing adds on the first transition phase) so the fight is already easy. When you force mechanical errors for it to be easier, you should be punished. Specially when you have staff members telling you shouldn't do that.
I don't really like when I have to apply my sweat and go through a huge pain to get my achievements through wipefests and then I log in the forums and see several guilds posting multiple kills with exploits. I don't like that. I feel like all the progression that I force my guilds go through drops completely and loses it's value since there are multiple LoD farming guilds using this same exploits to get the achievements that require perseverance and endurance. That same endurance that I need to have to get multiple items that, apparently, are obtained by this same guilds through exploits. Is it fair? No. Do I like it? No. Can I do something about it personally? No, sadly. I can just avoid joining those guilds and I can just forbid exploits in my guilds. I can also expect any kind of attention from the staff itself to this thread. I believe that you guys can fix this and end this unfair fight that legit players are going against exploiters.
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+1 as a respect to this post. Just be fair thats all that we ask.
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I'm not going to list off names of those exploiting or not, this reply is more or less my thoughts on this situation.
I've been an active raider since mid 2012, I've been apart of a lot of guilds and seen plenty of various exploits happening. But exploits and cheats have always been "taboo" to most people because it always warranted a ban. Now days we have people who have this mindset of "they can't ban us all" and the result is the better part of a year spent farming titles, achievements, and items that were entirely undeserved, or entirely deserving of a ban. So the obvious question is why does this continue? I would really like an explanation and I'm sure others would too.
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Yes why indeed. Especially when video proof is being submitted. I would also like to know this.
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Banned
I would offer myself to submit every single video again but most likely they will be deleted. So I won't.
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Banned
i hate cheating as much as the next person. a lot of things do go unpunished. and its crazy sometimes the bans that do go out punish an entire guild rather than 1 member for something the guild knew nothing about in the first place. if we ever see anyone hacking or cheating they are promptly removed. aint got no love for it and wont tolerate it at all.
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So with that said; I want you to ask yourself; Did you stop the encounter? Did you also didn't notice that a restoration druid in tree form was running faster that Lich King itself?
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Banned
are you talking to me?
if so the player who used the JoJ was removed from the guild. secondly i dont clock myself against LK. im busy streaming and entertaining. i hardly pay attention to what i am doing let alone the raid.
maybe you missed my post and response in our guild thread? we dont tolerate that crap. missporn (aurora) was thelegendary (austral) and was removed permanently from the guild. Aurora for years has prided itself on being legit. we cant stop all the *****s even those in our guild but you can be damn sure we wont tolerate it at all. next time PM us
We are usually pretty good about catching hackers and cheaters on our own but sometimes we all miss it.
so dont come here acting a fool when its already taken care of and when 99% of guilds use JoJ on a weekly basis for months yet nothing happens to them ever nor do they kick those players.
we stream and record logs for this reason. again if people see something that is an exploit or hack feel free to provide proof and PM us. i promise you they wont be a part of Aurora. We have a zero tolerance policy for those kinds of things for over 3 years now.Edited: March 15, 2016
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Forum Veteran
They are fixing the JoJ exploit right as we speak, it will not be working really soon.
No they didnt notice until later, as a resto druid like Funky, you dont really look at the boss... now do you? No you look at your grid / healbot and focus on healing, Keeping the people alive is prio 1, Not keeping an eye open for an exploiter (wich btw almost never happened before).
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Was hoping to keep specific guild names out of the thread as we don't know what's occurred on the other side internally for them.
Personal feelings aside, I'd rather keep the focus of this thread on the original problem at hand:
exploit handling by the GM staff and what can be done to change the current trend in regards to consistent reprimandsEdited: March 15, 2016
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Banned
oh its happened before when we have caught flyhackers and speed hackers in our guild and promptly removed them after or during a raid. i think this is the first time in a long time i can remember us not catching one. it happens. but we do not tolerate it at all and let the player stay in the guild like all other guilds do. we have no problems gkicking those players immediately.
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As a healer all you do is look the raid. That's one of your main concerns. Be aware of what's happening the raidframes and in the raid field. Also; Fixing the JoJ exploit doesn't bring justice to the ones that got the achievements in a legit way - Also doesn't bring any kind of glory to the guilds that get BiS items thanks to someone exploiting and then kicking the player. Or does it? as a healer myself. you didn't notice tank not getting trucked lmao cute your funky
the god i don't look at my raid when i play i just tunnle out an i win gg. no you seen it so you kicked the guy what about the loot that wasn't earned.
oh well we will just keep it an yeah other guild's do it your right they need to get treated the same as all the rest .
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Banned
Really? Are you joking? 'Cause I play almost every single healing class and besides having my eyes stuck on the raid frames I actually spend 60% of my time looking to the raid itself and I have my target to target on so I can keep a track of several things at the same thing. Three things; One player. Multitasking makes you a good raider. Tunnel visioning your heal bot makes you an awful raider. Just throwing this two cents out there.
About the JoJ fixing - The patch is a solution but doesn't fix everything, does it? Remember that plenty of guilds are gearing players with exploits. Also remember that some players are also getting free achievements thanks to those same exploits. Also - If you're in the raid and you didn't stop the fight (being a member, officer or Guild Master) - That makes you an accomplice as well. Even if one person didn't see it, I'm pretty sure several did. Keep in mind that we're talking about "experienced players". Are you really trying to convince me that all of the experience that they had vanished in those moments? I lol'ed.
