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[jmsvanbuskirk]

Warmane Staff, if you're reading this my recommendation would be to remove the realm name for players in PvP altogether.

And on the website separate the realms into their own ranking lists (which would be ideal anyway if rewards are separated we can see who we're actually competing against).

Labeling the two realms creates unnecessary division. If the goal actually was to create a fair and equal environment then just take away the ammunition that fuels these kinds of threads. If it really is equal then nobody would have anything to complain about because nobody would be able to differentiate between the players of each realm or even compare them.

[Twofpsx]

Again, I really hope that IRL, you encounter situation in which you work yourself off at some work, you are tired and pissed off, and the person next to you is the biggest slacker ever, yet you are both paid the same.

We dont give a ****, this isn't real life it's a video game. If you dont enjoy the grind in itself and you only care about end game pvp then just go on blackrock as well

[harrpaniz1]

What are you talking about mate? Pay attention to simple details.
1. Blackrock is forcing any competitive Onyxia players to move to Blackrock. 6 Ony teams in top 50, while 44 are Blackrock, speaks for itself right?
2. The ratio of effort and result. So you did not read my analogy in my comment? Do you realize that a Onyxia player has to farm intensively for hours to get the epic leg enchant, and Blackrock player can afk SINGLE bg, and buy it?
3. Did you try doing a heroic on Onyxia? and did you try "Completing a heroic" on Blackrock?

The problem is because its not balanced, and these 2 servers are two separated worlds. It's just not normal to go quest at lvl 70 for 1 hour to be able to afford 1 blue gem, while on Blackrock it costs 500 honor.

1. No, and the leaderboards show that. I will repeat myself: Onyxia had a 1 week advantage on Blackrock, Onyxia has crafted gear and professions and a raid on Onyxia takes a shorter amount of time than a "raid" on Blackrock, plus you get more gear per boss which means you have a higher likelyhood of getting something good. If you can not compete, it is by definition a skill issue. Ask yourself, why can the Onyxia players on the leaderboard compete, but not you?

2. This is just embarassing. If you don't like progression then don't play progression. What if i said "Do you realize that a Blackrock player has to farm for his enchants and an Onyxia player can just buy his entire character and all the gold he wants?". If you're upset that enchants are too expensive on your progressive realm then thats fine, but thats an issue for Onyxia, not Blackrock. Stop being poor basically.

3. Yes. I don't like PVE so I wouldn't do the first one again. If you don't like PVE then i suggest Blackrock.

"It's just not normal to go quest at lvl 70 for 1 hour to be able to afford 1 blue gem, while on Blackrock it costs 500 honor." - This, may I remind you, is your choice. Nobody is forcing you to farm for "1 hour to be able to afford 1 blue gem", welcome to progression. If your argument is "Blackrock and Onyxia should be merged but some prices need to be changed", I agree with you and that should be apparent from every single comment i've ever made on the matter. I've been clear that I think some prices are pretty silly on Blackrock and I stand by that.

[harrpaniz1]

How would you feel about adding PvE quests to Onyxia, which are on Blackrock? All your arguments say that it is very difficult, why not do it? How about mana potions, life potions, not being spent on BG for all Onyxia and Blackrock

Ive already responded to this question, but Onyxia players are really good at projecting their opinions onto others. Add whatever quests you want to Onyxia. Turn it into a literal PVP realm, it would not matter in the slightest to me. You guys are the ones who would be upset about that change.

[harrpaniz1]

Again, I really hope that IRL, you encounter situation in which you work yourself off at some work, you are tired and pissed off, and the person next to you is the biggest slacker ever, yet you are both paid the same.

Im an adult, I think I can manage people being paid differently. If you're a staunch stalinist communist who thinks that everyone needs to be paid exactly the same then good on you. I don't let other people run my life.

[HamdaN1]

Not even retail has a button to exclude other realms from your BG queues. I still don't see where this hate on Blackrock is coming from, and because you're not willing to try to find a middle ground for everyone, I don't see a reason to take this feedback seriously.
Not that I have any decision-making power whatsoever, but if I were put myself on the developer's shoulders, this would be my take on this whole Blackrock-Onyxia drama.

Why not try to be constructive and try to find a middleground, if indeed things are so poorly balanced as some claim to be? They are for sure much more likely to listen and make adjustments if constructive feedback is given.

this reply is genuinely insane. just go back into the forums and look from YEARS ago how many people have complained about the imbalances and frustration blackrock creates for the pve servers (many with valid points and recommendations). with all due respect youre just pulling a "il ignore the problem and hope it goes away on its own" when ALOT of people have respectfully given suggestions constructively. (sure some may not be functional but atleast its something). i literally quit icecrown because of the harrassment i dealt with every day from blackrock players in arena/bgs from having to grind furious gear from NOTHING while blackrock players got relentless borderline instantly and for free either reporting me afk when i wasnt or verbally being annoying. now i cant even escape that on onyxia where even worse toxicity from blackrock players has plagued our pvp ontop of their gear transition being 1/5th of the time.

im very disappointed in the overall outlook you have on this and i hope others dont share it.

[PorkBacon]

this reply is genuinely insane. just go back into the forums and look from YEARS ago how many people have complained about the imbalances and frustration blackrock creates for the pve servers (many with valid points and recommendations). with all due respect youre just pulling a "il ignore the problem and hope it goes away on its own" when ALOT of people have respectfully given suggestions constructively. (sure some may not be functional but atleast its something). i literally quit icecrown because of the harrassment i dealt with every day from blackrock players in arena/bgs from having to grind furious gear from NOTHING while blackrock players got relentless borderline instantly and for free either reporting me afk when i wasnt or verbally being annoying. now i cant even escape that on onyxia where even worse toxicity from blackrock players has plagued our pvp ontop of their gear transition being 1/5th of the time.

im very disappointed in the overall outlook you have on this and i hope others dont share it.

They know their tiny little community wouldnt be sustainable to only play amonst themselves (they dont't even want that, they just want to prey on lesser geared characters) so they try again and again to gaslight everyone else that their obvious advantages are a nothingburger to us here on onyxia who literally have to farm 100s and 100s of gold for one tiny little enchant.

Onyxia doesnt need Blackrock to have a healthy pvp scene.

[harrpaniz1]

They know their tiny little community wouldnt be sustainable to only play amonst themselves (they dont't even want that, they just want to prey on lesser geared characters) so they try again and again to gaslight everyone else that their obvious advantages are a nothingburger to us here on onyxia who literally have to farm 100s and 100s of gold for one tiny little enchant.

Onyxia doesnt need Blackrock to have a healthy pvp scene.

If you don't like progression that is hardly Blackrocks problem? You signed up for farming 100s and 100s of gold for an enchant, your market not being sustained is not a Blackrock problem even if it's an easy scapegoat.

You cant have it both ways: Either every game is full with Blackrock players or you could fill BGs yourselves. Why do I never see Onyxia premades? Why are there no really big Onyxian PVP guilds? It's because your realm dies down, slowly but surely, every single expansion that comes out. Get over yourself.

[PorkBacon]

If you don't like progression that is hardly Blackrocks problem? You signed up for farming 100s and 100s of gold for an enchant, your market not being sustained is not a Blackrock problem even if it's an easy scapegoat.

You cant have it both ways: Either every game is full with Blackrock players or you could fill BGs yourselves. Why do I never see Onyxia premades? Why are there no really big Onyxian PVP guilds? It's because your realm dies down, slowly but surely, every single expansion that comes out. Get over yourself.

Yes, what I didnt sign up for was a external realm hijacking the pvp scene! It was never announced prior to Onyxias luanch there would be one.
The reason there are less and less pvp guilds for each passing day is precisely because of blackrocks existance, you know that I know that, everyone knows it.
Why? Because of cheap *** enchants, gems you name it.
So take your bull**** outta here Onyxia doesnt want you or any other blackrock peasant anywhere nnear us. It's tweice now that Warmane has actively ruined pvp on Onyxia.

[guildbank12]

Yes, what I didnt sign up for was a external realm hijacking the pvp scene! It was never announced prior to Onyxias luanch there would be one.
The reason there are less and less pvp guilds for each passing day is precisely because of blackrocks existance, you know that I know that, everyone knows it.
Why? Because of cheap *** enchants, gems you name it.
So take your bull**** outta here Onyxia doesnt want you or any other blackrock peasant anywhere nnear us. It's tweice now that Warmane has actively ruined pvp on Onyxia.

pvp guilds? like what, vanguards of alliance or whatever they are called doing 100 vs 20 open world vs green geared people questing? there is a bracket called 5vs5 that is exclusively played by onyxia teams btw, but i guess you have not played a single arena game in your life and are just here to hate on something.
there are no new arena / pvp players coming into this 20 year old dead game, we recycle the same 100 arena players every fresh in case you did not know that yet. if it wasnt for blackrock these arena players would be account-playing your pve guild's accounts in arena and you would face them this way since after raid logging you guys do not do anything else.

[twister17]

What I don't understand is why don't you just split the servers?

This would be an issue if there was no mercenary mode, but thanks to that, there's enough players on both servers to play separately - even if it comes to 15 horde vs 15 mercenary horde players once everyone faction-changes to horde.

Some Blackrock players are ruining battlegrounds with their griefing and toxicity, and with them having quests, it's like we're playing two different battlegrounds at the same time. People just waiting at flag spawn to do their quest, insulting other players who take flag before them, and then the insulted player doesn't want to cap the flag in spite. People letting enemy players assault a base, just so they could 'defend' it, ending up in us losing the base. People running to capture all 5 bases in a game where we obviously can't win 5:0, but we might win 3:2 if played normally.

Let Blackrock players have their own server where they can do their quests.
Let Onyxia players have their own server where they can play normal battlegrounds.

Plus, it would also stop all the insulting, griefing and toxicity.

[MagicTea]

Cross realm is a nice feature that devs are probably proud of but it just heavily favors Blackrock.

I created a new character, did 1 random BG and got a chest with free epic from Kara trash as a free bonus. Next quest is cap 3 bases in Arathi Basin for a free epic item from horseman loot. The chest only contains 1 item so it could be useless but it's so easy to get and could also give me a bis item out of nowhere.

Maybe it's not as noticeable on the first or second week but Blackrock's advantage is growing and average Blackrock player will be really overgeared compared to average Onyxia player.

[harrpaniz1]

Cross realm is a nice feature that devs are probably proud of but it just heavily favors Blackrock.

I created a new character, did 1 random BG and got a chest with free epic from Kara trash as a free bonus. Next quest is cap 3 bases in Arathi Basin for a free epic item from horseman loot. The chest only contains 1 item so it could be useless but it's so easy to get and could also give me a bis item out of nowhere.

Maybe it's not as noticeable on the first or second week but Blackrock's advantage is growing and average Blackrock player will be really overgeared compared to average Onyxia player.

Why is that, considering the raid gear is:

1. Weekly, just like on Onyxia.
2. Only contains 1 item, meaning your odds of getting an item you want is lower than Onyxia.
3. Takes several more hours to do than just clearing Kharazan.

Being overgeared is fine btw, that was the case week 1 on Blackrock where Onyxia had already gotten to gear in advance and get full pvp gear. This should be welcomed by any progression player: Play a lot, get rewarded and get more geared than others.

[harrpaniz1]

Yes, what I didnt sign up for was a external realm hijacking the pvp scene! It was never announced prior to Onyxias luanch there would be one.
The reason there are less and less pvp guilds for each passing day is precisely because of blackrocks existance, you know that I know that, everyone knows it.
Why? Because of cheap *** enchants, gems you name it.
So take your bull**** outta here Onyxia doesnt want you or any other blackrock peasant anywhere nnear us. It's tweice now that Warmane has actively ruined pvp on Onyxia.

"Onyxia doesnt want you or any other blackrock peasant" - But you don't get to decide that. This is just your appeal to emotion, there is no reasoning behind this statement, just a very upset individual. You dont speak for all of Onyxia and certainly don't decide what is going to happen with the realms.

If your PVP guilds dont want to play progression then I think it's good that they are going to Blackrock. If they don't enjoy the content, don't play it. Seems intelligent to me.

"what I didnt sign up for was a external realm hijacking the pvp scene" - You dont have a right to play on Warmane or Onyxia or have it your way, you're not entitled to anything. The only thing you signed up for were Warmanes terms of service, and there is nothing in there about bg merges not happening.

[MJT2022]

Pretty simple if you like PVP play Blackrock if you like PVE Play Onyxia, you'll never have any issues then