And sometimes you'll want to understand basic math. There's nothing situational about this choice in Wotlk, we've seen this reflected in the choice of top PvPers back in retail days and we see it even more pronounced today on Warmane with the heavy access to PvE gear. Every top rated warrior when given the choice between 10% stun reduction meta and 3% crit always goes for the crit and that 3% crit damage is nothing compared to the DPS of an extra PvE trinket. You can argue all you want about how much impact you think 10.8% stun reduction makes but it's all meaningless anecdotes at odds with actual facts and opinions of people who are better at this game than you are.
Basic math would be to understand that the human racial is better in nearly all casses, besides some hand picked match ups, hence why people mostly played human. Doesn't remove the fact it's better in those exact situations, where usually you'd die, but as I said, the setup for that is very specific. If you wanna learn more about it, look up Joefernades VoDs from like 2-3 weeks ago, there was a big discussion about current racials in Legion and it went all the way back to wotlk even, since racial imbalance is a reoccurring theme. So if you wanna talk about people better then me, one of the best warriors around is probably a good start. If I had acccess to my browser history I could find it for you, but rip.
Yes, "Only". It is now a copy of Will of the Forsaken for a different type of CC. Next you'll try and argue that stuns are a bigger problem in PvP than fears and charms.
I can tell you aren't pvping, purely based on this.
Maybe if you're a Rogue that can blow someone up with your legendary shoulders in 2 seconds it is a wasted GCD.
Ahh, i love doing that, but no. I'm talking about demon hunters, it's literally wasted resources.
In instanced, if it is 2nd best, then it is at the very least tied with WotF.
It's actually very very far from WotF in the current meta. Everyone is working around stuns in this Meta for the reason that it's by far the most common way to die. The type of CC being broken is incredibly important here, since fear and charm effects aren't even remotely as common, nor deadly.
It's also interesting how all that you say in this line has nothing to do with what you quoted. In WotLK, Every Man for Himself opens up a trinket slot which equates directly to the raw power of a character. The racial and the PvP trinket in Legion do not allow you to equip more stats. I thought this was obvious, especially for someone who supposedly plays the content at a mediocre level.
I figured you'd take defensive aspects into consideration as well, but if you wanna talk purely about deeps, then sure. I guess I gave you too much credit here.
I didn't know that Orcs have a blanket silence, or that suddenly stun reduction is more powerful than EMFH!
Oh no, a 2 seconds blanket silence. But yea, orc relentless is actually better in a lot of situations compared to the human racial, they are pretty much tied when it comes to how good they are. It depends, once again, which comb you run into if you wanna determine which one is better.
Go ahead and assume I'm talking about Paladins, when I'm not. In fact, Paladins are probably the least represented class that I've seen compared to casters. Not even going to bother speaking to the effect of DHs, since you brought them up, or Monks, Warriors and Rogues.
Actually, I just gave you a logical response as to why you see a lot of Belfs. I didn't assume anything here, just pointing towards the obvious.
You should probably not comment on US matters when it's so obviously clear that you don't play US. Alliance was the dominant faction just in the prior expansion for US.
How exactly is that related to the current situation exactly? Europe is starting to shift a lot more towards Horde now as well, the pvp quality droped heavily as a result of that. I used to lose a ton when I swapped over originally, now its like 70%ish a win. It's the normal flow of the game and you should know that, yet doesn't change that current US situation for alliance is terrible.
Of course you would instantly run to the 3's ladder to try and prove that you are right when the 3's ladder does not represent PvP content or realms as a whole. Nevermind that there are evidences in the link you just provided, and in the US ladder that prove your statements wholly incorrect.
Seriously? "non competitive in rated aspects of pvp", what's your rated aspects of pvp? Tomb of sargeras? Random bgs?
Rated BGs are a massive class stack for DHs and priests, that one literally doesnt represent a thing and let's be real here, 2s is 2s. So what's your rated aspects of pvp? You should really unbind that backpeddal button, you are doing it in the forums now as well. Also, I know you well enough, that if there was evidence in the ladder, you would have pointed it out. But you left it at a claim without any facts backing it, which is what you usually do when you try to win an argument while sitting on the wrong side. Unless you wanna claim that 7 belfs (3 of which are locked in to being belfs, unless you consider tauren pala a choice instead of a joke in pvp) compared to the 34 shamans is a situation where being a non belf "is non competitive in rated pvp aspects".
Even so, all of this ties into the "Perception of Balance" as which is what I was speaking to the effect of, not actual balance. But it seems you didn't pick up on that either.
Sure.
I know. He likes to stalk my postings though. If it wasn't me here posting, he wouldn't have commented.
You are very off on this one, I was reading this thread before you even commented. I was gonna comment because I felt sorry for the guy, since his point was valid, but he represented it wrong. But if you are curiuous to know why I came to the forum, I was hoping people shared my hype about the WoW classic announcement, but the forum is pretty RIP. I mean cmon, not even radvo said a thing?
as mercy pointed out its same as WOTF removes 1 type of CC and share 30 sec cd with trinket.
How's this relevant in any shape or form? Fear effects are a million times less common and deadly, but I mentioned that aleady.
human racial is actually not that strong anymore in legion.Belf racial is really OP for clave comps.
It's still the 2nd most powerful racial, belf is 3rd best, but staying alive is more valuable. You'll use the blanket as a finisher after your initial stun and kick chain, not randomly to open the fight. Being orc or human already prevents you reaching that point, but I'm rambling on here.
stunning is never wasting of GCD wtf are you even saying.
What's your ilvl? 880? World pvp is a joke when it comes to damage, it's a 3 shot fest for most classs.
actually belf and orc are both better then human in legion.
Orc, obviously, never claimed otherwise, Belf not so much.
human is really good only if you are a healer.
It's incredible for any alliance class which can be human, the other options don't remotely compare.
blizzcon just ended you can go check that almost all teams was horde there.
I already established that Orc is insane in the current meta, did you miss that or soemthing?
first of all DH is not most played class in Legion in PVP ,but the least played one.most played classes by far are DK and shaman.you can just go check arenamate.you can also check the PVP ladder DH almost dont exist there.
I'm very well aware what my alt classes standing in pvp is, yet I said it's the most played class (which it is). I never said most played pvp class, you need to stop adding things.
Belf racial is really good for Dk/monk/DH.o tho as monk orc is also really good almost all DKs that play serious PVP are belf.but yes aside of holy paladin the belf racial is not that good for other classes still they are 3rd most played race in PVP after human and orc.
Never claimed it to be a bad racial, I'm a belf myself (purely because I hate the looks of orc rogues). But it's very far from the "have to be a belf to be competitive in pvp" that it was portrait to be. Matter of fact, you are literally screwing yourself if you arent an orc as a shaman. This isnt even due to lack of options like paladins have, troll and tauren are actually quite good, but orc is just far more dominant.
The orc racial only gave attack power back then and reduced healing received. You actually felt pretty ****ed by Blizzard just by playing orc, which was only justified by your character looking like Dwayne Johnson but green instead of black.
Chance to fully resist stuns was really really good, seeing how popular rogues were for example. But I'm guessing you forgot it was changed in wotlk to being stun reduction, so no worries.
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