Wrath of the Lich King melee choice

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September 24, 2017
KingTyrone96

Wrath of the Lich King melee choice

So I've got a 5.6k frost dk and I want to play another melee but I can't really decide. I'm gonna state overall I enjoy seeing #1 meters (I know I'm a loser) and really fast pace combat.

Fury Warrior - I'm conflicted on this because it seems like they're either really good or awful. I don't know really what makes them any better than something else

Combat Rogue - They're decent and fun but at the same time it seems like hardly anyone plays this over assassination (I'm not a fan of assassination)

Ret Paladin - They seem alright just kinda slow

Enhancement Shaman - Is this spec even good? I don't ever see one when I run ICC 25 or if I do he's usually middle of the pack on dps

That's really the only classes I'm choosing between and was wondering what the community has to say about them.
September 24, 2017
Jakkre

Fury warrior is very gear dependent. In BiS gear it tops the dmg charts on most boss encounters.
Rog can also top the dmg charts but deals usually a bit less than fury.
Ret is a supporter that deals solid dps and brings usefull buffs to the raid.
EnH is underestimated by most ppl. When played properly it deals pretty equal dps to Ret paly.

The decision is up to u. If u want a challenge then play EnH. If u want to top the dmg charts play warr or rog.
September 26, 2017
SilverFlash

No,shamans are probably the worst dps class in wotlk,they will never come close to decent rets with equal ilvl(that means no Shadowmourne) and skill.If you want to be on top five you either have to pick warrior/rogue/dk/ret/feral druid for melee if we're talking about the same skill level for these classes.
September 27, 2017
Jakkre

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Originally Posted by SilverFlash

No,shamans are probably the worst dps class in wotlk,they will never come close to decent rets with equal ilvl(that means no Shadowmourne) and skill.

Thats a l2p issue.

This video should give u an idea of how EnH performs when u know how to play the class:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tfS1QZCkxGs
Rank 3 in DPS on LK 25 hc.
September 27, 2017
SilverFlash

Anyone can drop a totem to the ghouls and aoe(you were called out on that beforehand if my memory serves my right)(i'd add if a warrior/paladin/dk cant surpass you on aoe since you're hellbent on LK 25 hc,now THATS a l2p issue),please link one where you're #3 on a dummy fight such as fester hc or dbs hc,as they're the most relevant ST fights.
Avarage fester 25 hc rankings(taken from WoL)
1) Fury Warrior 18107
2) Fire Mage 17799
3) Combat Rogue 17671
4) Retribution Paladin 17213
5) Assassination Rogue 17052
6) Marksmanship Hunter 17021
7) Feral-Cat Druid 16689
8) Unholy Death Knight 16540
9) Affliction Warlock 16144
10) Frost Death Knight 15985
11) Shadow Priest 15807
12) Arcane Mage 15414
13) Demonology Warlock 15396
14) Enhancement Shaman 15275
15) Balance Druid 14924
16) Elemental Shaman 14538
17) Blood Death Knight 14276
18) Destruction Warlock 14157
19) Survival Hunter 13997
20) Arms Warrior 12563
September 27, 2017
Jakkre

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Originally Posted by SilverFlash

Anyone can drop a totem to the ghouls and aoe

EnH deals pathetic aoe dmg compared to many other classes.
The maker of the video also posted the dmg on specific targets:

Overall
5th on LK (5.33m)
9th on Val'kyrs (1.58m)
4th on Ragings (1.78m)
4th on Ghouls (0.48m)

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilverFlash

please link one where you're #3 on a dummy fight such as fester hc or dbs hc,as they're the most relevant ST fights.

If u want more footage PM "Bensten". Its his shami that u can see in the video.
September 28, 2017
DarkenedHue

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Originally Posted by Jakkre

EnH is underestimated by most ppl. When played properly it deals pretty equal dps to Ret paly.

The best evidence suggests this is not the case. At least it's certainly not meant to be.

Spoiler: Show

http://web.archive.org/web/201009210...tion_Paladin/?
http://web.archive.org/web/201009172...cement_Shaman/

That's a comparison on DBS, 15th highest Enh shammy pulled 18.2k, highest one pulled 19.7k. Meanwhile the 15th highest Ret pulled 19.7k, and highest one did 20.6k.

Spoiler: Show

http://web.archive.org/web/201008111...ution_Paladin/
http://web.archive.org/web/201008111...cement_Shaman/

On Festergut we see that Rets had an even greater lead.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jakkre

Thats a l2p issue.

This video should give u an idea of how EnH performs when u know how to play the class:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tfS1QZCkxGs
Rank 3 in DPS on LK 25 hc.

You're not seeing his point. A single video means little. Bensten is a very polished raider with a good intuitive sense of maximizing every effort to dish out more damage. His Enha Shammy would most certainly have been outclassed by his own Ret or Fury, for instance.
September 28, 2017
Beanlord

Even if a computer played your enhancement shaman you'd never do better than melee class X (excluding sub rogue and arms warrior). There's nothing to compare at all.

@OP

Ret paladins have a relatively dynamic playstyle. You need to watch out for your swing timer and if you execute your priority (near) flawlessly you will receive great results. It also has the ability to influence a fight dramatically via Hand of Salvation/Protection/Sacrifice, Lay on Hands, Aura Mastery and instant Flash of Light. If you don't like the fdk playstyle, I'd recommend a ret paladin.
September 28, 2017
Jakkre

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkenedHue

The best evidence suggests this is not the case. At least it's certainly not meant to be.

Spoiler: Show

http://web.archive.org/web/201009210...tion_Paladin/?
http://web.archive.org/web/201009172...cement_Shaman/

That's a comparison on DBS, 15th highest Enh shammy pulled 18.2k, highest one pulled 19.7k. Meanwhile the 15th highest Ret pulled 19.7k, and highest one did 20.6k.

Thats a 5% DPS difference. Thats what I call pretty equal DPS.

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Originally Posted by DarkenedHue

You're not seeing his point.

I see his point.
Its to make EnH shami look bad once again by just repeating what others say about the class.

In fact most raiders haven't even seen a skilled EnH shami because the word that the spec would be "utter trash" is kept beeing spread so they are not even invited to HC raids.
September 28, 2017
DarkenedHue

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jakkre

Thats a 5% DPS difference. Thats what I call pretty equal DPS.

It's between 5-15% depending on the fight you look at. DBS is one of the fights where the difference is the lowest.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jakkre

I see his point.
Its to make EnH shami look bad once again by just repeating what others say about the class.

In fact most raiders haven't even seen a skilled EnH shami because the word that the spec would be "utter trash" is kept beeing spread so they are not even invited to HC raids.

I would agree that the spec is more viable than most people have yet come to realize. While it is viable however, in terms of damage output, it occupies the lower ends of the spectrum among the other specs that are viable.
September 28, 2017
SilverFlash

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Originally Posted by Jakkre

I see his point.
Its to make EnH shami look bad once again by just repeating what others say about the class.

No you don't.My point was that while its viable,all the other classes outperform it in melee,unless they're piloted by bad players or they're afk/lagging hard.So even if someone manages to master enchancement,he/she will still be the worst on the melee list when racing against players piloting mastered warriors/rogues/dks/ferals/rets,it doesn't matter how high that is in overall.