I do not play to win.

Lol okay dzen master, but why do you think climbing the ladders and outplaying your opponent deprives you of having fun in the meantime?
I think you've just read too much new age bull**** in the recent days and came here to show us the way. Thanks, ill pass.
Besides, whats the point of this thread? Do we care about your views? No.

These spiritual stuff get you nowhere. Lets take the example of the 30 year old guy with the business. What makes you think he didnt enjoy making that business for 30 years? He might have wanted to do it, It might have given him purpose. It might have given him challenges, which in turn give him confidence. It gave him money and social status. He can find like-minded people. And in the end he will think to himself "What a journey".

You will sit on a bench and enjoy sitting on that bench. You will cast Holy Lights and enjoy casting them. But where will these things get you? Youll get kicked out of bgs and arena teams. Where is the competition? Where is the challenge? Where is the satisfaction of getting over that challenge? Not to mention you screw up other players.

You gotta find the balance mate. You should get a goal and follow it, and enjoy the things that happen in the meantime. Otherwise youll be an unhappy bot doing something he doesnt truly want or a spiritual person that takes joy in mundane everyday stuff. Both are horrible.

And to answer your question, there is no point in grinding and stuff or getting up in ladders. But there is no point in life really, so why shouldnt you be free to choose whats important and what not?

Well, sometimes i care about winning sometimes i dont, for example i dont care about random bgs, at all, however if i duel i care about winning. Its all about preferences.

At the end of the day its up to you what u enjoy.

I agree.
I mean when I am in bg I try to win. I try to learn my class, how to counter other classes. and so on.
but I don't like this whole arena mentality, I just want to play some randoms and collect conquest gear.

If you pvp and cannot stand the idea of loosing, then don't play.
I sometimes get mad too, but when every second bg you see some nerd rager spamming bg chat (even when we are winning)....
Maybe I should just hide the chat, and relax, won't be missing a lot anyway.

And... why so many ppl play for racials, I would rather have bad racials, but look good.

and I don't care what is "viable", I play what I feel like playing.

I absolutely agree
This is the mind set everybody should have .

i think you are a moron really, i dont like to win to fed my ego or whatever u said, i like to win because i dont like to waste my time to lose, and when i lose because of ppl like you i stop having fun so ...
and if you enjoy losing that means u arent really an ambitious person... shame

edit: and i dont mind losing, if its not for a stupid reason... like it happens alots of times...

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/sportsmanship

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Originally Posted by felipevieira

you can play for lols and have fun, but the right question is: does the game allows people to have fun?

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Instead of looking to the game as an obligation just look at the game as a tool for entertainment because that's exactly what it is. Specially in Warmane, it got into a point that all you see is ignorants with E-Dicks trying to pretend they're big in a content that is OLD. A content where you can Google everything since there is so much information and theory crafting around it that even a donkey can look extremely smart.

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Originally Posted by Elipas

Some people have fun winning you know.. :d
The more you win the more confident you are,everyone sees differently.

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Yes, that confidence is called e-dick and following the normal standard, players with that e-dick are the ones that make the community extremely toxic. Players that step in PvP, as example, stating that they are beasts when they only faceroll one or two buttons making themselves look like ignorants.

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Originally Posted by SkxGaming

i think you are a moron really, i dont like to win to fed my ego or whatever u said, i like to win because i dont like to waste my time to lose, and when i lose because of ppl like you i stop having fun so ...
and if you enjoy losing that means u arent really an ambitious person... shame

edit: and i dont mind losing, if its not for a stupid reason... like it happens alots of times...

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You also need to consider that some players already did EVERYTHING they had to do in this game and they don't really care if they win or lose. Some of them are literally logging on just for giggles and to find something fun to do. Being ambitious when someone has already finished every single possible scenario in the content it's impossible. I talk for myself; I've played Wrath for six years - Do you really think I can be ambitious in any single aspect of PvP? No. I've been there, done that. What I'm seeking is fun or a possible new challenge.

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Originally Posted by Selaya

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/sportsmanship

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Quite ironic to see you posting this. I facepalmed.

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Originally Posted by Nathaniel912

You don't understand me in the same way in which a fly doesn't understand a spider, or a monkey doesn't understand a human.
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Please, don't put other people down only because they have a competitive spirit and you don't.

I started playing WoW back in 2005 on patch 1.9. After having created dozens of 10-15lvl toons, I finally stopped on a tauren hunter on some random local 200-pop pserver. Like you, I played for fun. I ran around zones all day, farming, grinding, killing stuff, exploring the zones and the beauty of the game. I had joined a guild in the meantime, with most of them leveling just like me. Time passed and everyone from my guild reached 60lvl, got geared, made alts, maxed and geared them too. I was somewhere around 40lvl at that time. More time passed and TBC came out - I was 55ish then. So I went to Outland, explored it too - it was beautiful, it was charming, and I was spending the majority of my time, again, running around killing stuff and exploring. My guildies reached 70lvl, got T4, then T5, then T6. By the time WotLK came out I was 69lvl. By that time I had already become the laughing stock, the joke, the "social" of the guild. Somewhere around that point, after having powerleveled and HK-farmed for a guy for money, I snapped and started playing for real. My only real and actual endgame experience came with WotLK.

Like you, I played for fun. Like you, I didn't care that much about raiding and all that jazz. I was looking at the tiers and PvP titles and dreamed of them, but I never even reached the level for them. By the time the pserver I played on got shut down I had 365 days played on that hunter, with just a couple of them at 80lvl. I hadn't done any of the vanilla or TBC raids, because I was too busy killing shadowmaw panthers in STV, farming turtles in Tanaris, or just running around and hunting enemy players (on a 200-pop server).

My point being - sure, go ahead and play for fun. But you won't find a place in any serious group or guild. What you consider "fun" is nothing more than a complete waste of time. You're not above other people, playing like that. On the contrary, they have long since passed the period which you're in. :)

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Originally Posted by Nathaniel912

Just thought I'll start a discussion on the topic of playing to win, instead to have fun.

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Good for you, don't tell me or others how to play, you play how you like and i'll play how i like.