WotLK [Guide] DoTs and You (Affliction Warlock PvE) 3.3.5a

[93johani]

Nightfall can be very random, sometimes you get multiple instant shadowbolts in a row. Its also really good when you have corruption on more than 1 target.

[hadlokstorm]

As for the gear, I agree your donor gear has a little too much hit (13%). However, I also having both haste trinkets is a bit over kill, the value of static haste is lower on molten with the bug and places more value on sp and crit. I also agree with dtgulab about Sundial of Eternal Dusk.

I have three trinkets: CTS HC (donated), DFO Norm, PotNL Norm.

So youre saying that I would do better if I roll with CTS+ PotNL than CTS+DFO ?

[Cinderclutch]

I too have all three trinkets, but for Affliction, haste+haste is way better than crit+haste. Thanks to the rolling Corruption bug, you can never have ENOUGH haste.

I couldnt find a good review on those three trinks, so I decided to do it myself. Although I still use the Phylactery for Demo and Destro, it's OP there.

[hadlokstorm]

I too have all three trinkets, but for Affliction, haste+haste is way better than crit+haste. Thanks to the rolling Corruption bug, you can never have ENOUGH haste.

I couldnt find a good review on those three trinks, so I decided to do it myself. Although I still use the Phylactery for Demo and Destro, it's OP there.

That's what I have been reading and believing as well; "You can never have enough haste with Affliction" and now its been thrown into question. Despite that the bug seems like it is giving us an advantage but in personal truth, its more trouble than it is worth.

There was a thread in Warlock's Den about which trinket does better dps in relation with gear, DFO HC trumped over its Norm version and PotNL (both HC and Norm)

[hadlokstorm]

just a question, how good is a proc haste trinket (like embrace of the spider) with the rolling corruption bug? it seems to me that it could have a great effect, but its a lower tier trinket, at what trinket level does it become worse than the normal trinkets?

also in the neck and waist you put the haste/crit instead of haste/spirit option though you say spirit>crit. why dont you use bone sentinentals amulet and circle ossus?

proc haste trinkets (IMO) are not reliable. I have found that they often proc at times when you don't need them and when you actually do, like when boss hp is less than 25%, it doesn't.

[dtgulab]

I have three trinkets: CTS HC (donated), DFO Norm, PotNL Norm.

So youre saying that I would do better if I roll with CTS+ PotNL than CTS+DFO ?

affliction pve - get about 1550 haste approx (45%)

demo pve - get about 1400


affli - i use sts + dfo
demo - i use sts + PoTNL

[hadlokstorm]

so get passive 1550 haste then swap DFO for PotNL ?

after re-reviewing Eber's quoted paragraph, I assume he was referring to a character that is fully donated.

[dtgulab]

so get passive 1550 haste then swap DFO for PotNL ?

after re-reviewing Eber's quoted paragraph, I assume he was referring to a character that is fully donated.

these days the only thing that u get extra from donation for lock is - cts hc, wrist from rs25hc, neck gunship25hc, thats about it

and they all have pretty good replacements - cts normal, wrist from rs25n, neck from bql25hc

point is - as demo - after u reach 45% haste, raid gets u the other 5% to reach cap - so 1400 is enough

as affli - corruption rolling doesnt have a cap for haste but at about 1550 iv noticed to be more than enough

again summarizing - if are affli - go CTS+DFO (1550 haste approx)
if you are demo - go CTS+PoTNL (1400 haste)

[hadlokstorm]

you mean CTS not STS...right?

[hadlokstorm]

i am not suggesting the proc trinket for the proc itself (though thats a nice addition), i am bringing it up for stacking haste procs, for example in a boss where heroism is sued at the beginning you could put a corruption without using gloves (eng)+potion, and than wait for haste proc (either eradication or trinket proc, it is extremely unlikely that neither will proc for the duration of heroism no matter at what time it is used). than as soon as you get 1 of the procs use gloves along with potion and reapply corruption, alot of times it should also happen that you get BOTH procs (if egg procs and you reapply corruption quickly, eradication has a nice chance of proccing inthe next 10 seconds).

Well, you are bringing it up because of the (haste) proc itself. But still, I wouldn't suggest on proc haste trinkets because it is not often reliable.

[dtgulab]

you mean CTS not STS...right?

ye, sorry, i recently made hunter and all i can think of is STS :P

[Waldamer]

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't Spell Power also a factor here ? At the point where you reach arround 1100-1200 Haste, isn't Spell Power supposed to become your Main Stat ?
Also how is Static haste even remotely connected to Haste Rolling when with or without it your Corruption wount change from the way it was intended to work ?

Question here is are you low on Haste if you have arround 1100-1200 Haste without DFO then PotNL is by far the superior of both why ? Because DFO only has Haste in reality its proc is quite terrible compared to the PotNL one also don't forget that Crit also has its DPS value... but most importantly there is the Spell Power. Spell Power will affect every spell in your arenal and you can never get enought Spell Power while stats like Haste loose their value the more you have with them. Personaly atm I am feeling quite comftable with my 1350 Static Haste and almost 3900 Spell Power and I will gladly loose the 155 Haste DFO gives me for a PotNL.


As far as Haste procs go... your already affected by Alot of RNG and having an ultra pumped Corruption isn't the best case scenario since its hard to maintain it, if you happen to for Haste PRocs like Black Magic and some kind of a Trinket Proc have in mind that Eradication + Heroism are superior to Embrace of the Spider Queen + Black Magic + Eradication/Heroism and its extremly hard to put all of those Procs with both Eradicaiton and Heroism at the same time, not to mention the fact that when you do that you pretty much have to put yourself in Danger by going in Melee Range or have to rely on Drain Life to maintain your Corruption which overall nets you a DPS loss than a gain or puts you in danger and in a place where you shouldn't be.

As far as the Spirit offpieces, believe it or not they are actualy considered to be better than their Haste/Crit counter parts for a Warlock with Glyph of Life Tap. Here is why:

Note: I am only including currently farmable gear and I am excluding Heroic RS Gear. I am also excluding Raid buffs to make the math easier. I will also exclude Rings from this because of the currently obtainable gear on Molten.

Greatcloak of the Turned Champion & Frostbinder's Shredded Cape

When gemmed to match the socket colors: 39 Spell Power vs 10 Haste & 68 Crit

Bone Sentinel's Amulet & Blood Queen's Crimson Choker

When gemmed to match the socket colors: 34 Spell Power vs 65 Crit

Sundial of Eternal Dusk & Shadow Silk Spindle

When compared: 34 Spell Power vs 68 Crit


Correct me if I am wrong but isn't Spell Power much more desirable than Crit is ? Considering you already get Crit on pretty much most of your entire Gear. In terms of itemization points they are equal however in terms of usefullness for an Affl warlock, I would say that SP > Crit.

[dtgulab]

Corrections :

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't Spell Power also a factor here ? At the point where you reach arround 1100-1200 Haste, isn't Spell Power supposed to become your Main Stat ?
Also how is Static haste even remotely connected to Haste Rolling when with or without it your Corruption wount change from the way it was intended to work ?

till 1200 haste demo out dpses affliction
1400 haste is needed to the least as affliction
1555 haste i pulled 23.5k on DBS25hc
Sp factors in upto 3200-3300 self buffed (maybe more depending on your gear)

Hit (11%) > Haste (1400-1600) > SP > Crit > Spirit

Static haste reduces corruption duration -> quicker ticks -> more chance of procs eradication -> eradication procs -> pop potion of speed + engg hands -> re-cast corruption -> even faster ticks -> more chance of eradication -> faster shadow bolt casting/faster drain soul

DFO > PoTNL as affli

DFO
~325.35 SP per second if procced immediately after coming off the ICD
10% proc (Same as CTS)
45 sec ICD (Same as CTS)

POTNL
~241.4 SP per second if procced immediately after coming off the ICD
30% proc
100s sec ICD

if you choose more sp over haste as affliction, you will never outdps other afflis, and you would probably be better off as demo

if maintaining a fast corruption was easy, then everyone would start playing affliction, it takes a certain amount of skill to not fk it up, and static haste is the backup, in case you do fk it up and also its the jump start

As far as the Spirit offpieces, believe it or not they are actualy considered to be better than their Haste/Crit counter parts for a Warlock with Glyph of Life Tap. Here is why:

Note: I am only including currently farmable gear and I am excluding Heroic RS Gear. I am also excluding Raid buffs to make the math easier. I will also exclude Rings from this because of the currently obtainable gear on Molten.

Greatcloak of the Turned Champion & Frostbinder's Shredded Cape

When gemmed to match the socket colors: 39 Spell Power vs 10 Haste & 68 Crit

Bone Sentinel's Amulet & Blood Queen's Crimson Choker

When gemmed to match the socket colors: 34 Spell Power vs 65 Crit

Sundial of Eternal Dusk & Shadow Silk Spindle

When compared: 34 Spell Power vs 68 Crit


Correct me if I am wrong but isn't Spell Power much more desirable than Crit is ? Considering you already get Crit on pretty much most of your entire Gear. In terms of itemization points they are equal however in terms of usefullness for an Affl warlock, I would say that SP > Crit.

Once again, Hit > haste > sp > crit > spirit (spirit is 50% sp ie 1/2 SP and hence crit is better - not to mention you dont hit the crit cap with affli even with raid buffs so its a very desirable stat, much more than spirit.

No need to debate actually, i have both the spirit & the crit gear - crit gear gives much more dps about 3k-5k dps difference depending on the fight

[hadlokstorm]

Hey guys,

I got these two wrist items for awhile:

Death Surgeon's Sleeves HC -DSS

Lady's Brittle Bracers Norm -LBB

I know that LBB is BiS for Non-Donor gear but is it wrong of me to use DSS HC while saving up for the HC version of LBB?

Once again, Hit > haste > sp > crit > spirit (spirit is 50% sp ie 1/2 SP and hence crit is better - not to mention you dont hit the crit cap with affli even with raid buffs so its a very desirable stat, much more than spirit.

Isn't your stat priority conflicting with other sources or is this your own input ?

[dtgulab]

Hey guys,

I got these two wrist items for awhile:

Death Surgeon's Sleeves HC -DSS

Lady's Brittle Bracers Norm -LBB

I know that LBB is BiS for Non-Donor gear but is it wrong of me to use DSS HC while saving up for the HC version of LBB?



Isn't your stat priority conflicting with other sources or is this your own input ?

till 3200ish SP -> sp > haste
after 3200ish SP -> Haste > SP

dsshc is sp, spirit, haste right ? ye its ok