|New Dawn, A| Halion 25 Heroic

[Twobeard]

Molten first on Tocg 25 was gained by The Ascendants on nelth. IS killed like 45min later and got as well the achi for a script flaw. So don't speak of realm first plz.

Jesus christ. New Dawn achieved on DEATHWING not NELTHARION. -.-

[Trev]

Your putting on arrgument and its kind a look silly because you embarrased yourself quite a bit nao..

WITH passion and love, DORF DEFFAN <3

First of all i havent embarrased myself at all...while you were still wiping on marrowgar i was one of the original Inner Sanctum members that actually cleaned 25hc on release till LK (was bugged to **** and was bugged when u did it so please keep your mouth shut and dont try to troll me coz ur already too far deep.

@Joltie
Respect for those comments m8,atleast 1 person there, please dont mention LK25hc kill coz we all know what was his state then and how "dooable" he was.Im not butthurt but i hate to see people that clearly took the easier route get the braging rights how they are too good for the rest of the population.
1 little funny thing about what u just wrote.

" I can only assume that he wasn't banned for exploiting, otherwise the entire raid would have joined him in a ban."

You just clearly admited that the rest of the raid was exploiting something.Gj
Belive me when i say ND is a decent guild coz all of the stuff you can brag about is the experience at wiping on something and exploiting the encounters.I havent seen yet any member of New Dawn stand out as one of the top class players in either pve or pvp (I really dont want to mention any clear examples)
Only thing that's pushing you as a guild forward is sheer luck and amount of routine trying of doing something each week.
Think what u want about me being "butthurt" but i just really gotta remind you that you clearly admited that the rest of the raid was exploiting something because everyone saw your gm get banned for exploiting.
Sometimes the good guys dont get rewarded for ther dedication in something but clearly you just stated how much confidence and skill lies in ND that you are resorting to low actions aka exploiting to get braging rights.

[Boonsbane]

Just to clarify joltie's seemingly clear comment, he said IF mihal was exploiting, then the WHOLE raid would be banned too because logically whatever HE was exploiting, the raid would be exploiting as well, BUT as the raid wasn't banned, the reason of his ban probably wasn't the sort of exploit you're thinking- get it?

And just out of sheer curiosity, how does one "stand out in pve" like you mentioned? I've seen comments like "oh all enhancement shamans on the server are noobs except x y and z". Is there some sort of competition or something that i'm not exactly aware of?:p

[Trev]

Just to clarify joltie's seemingly clear comment, he said IF mihal was exploiting, then the WHOLE raid would be banned too because logically whatever HE was exploiting, the raid would be exploiting as well, BUT as the raid wasn't banned, the reason of his ban probably wasn't the sort of exploit you're thinking- get it?

And just out of sheer curiosity, how does one "stand out in pve" like you mentioned? I've seen comments like "oh all enhancement shamans on the server are noobs except x y and z". Is there some sort of competition or something that i'm not exactly aware of?:p

You do realize that 95% of the bans are being done using a proof aka a screenshot of the suspicious moment?
Someone might have made a screenshot of Mihaal using the buffs in a area where they shouldnt be usable?
I do get the idea that ur covering his *** atm coz he made a really huge and impactfull mistake.Everyone can read it as they like but for me thats a clear proof of exploiting being shown to any New Dawn member that are doing the raids.
You can say its YOLO for all of your chars when you get caught :D

[Deffan]

First of all i havent embarrased myself at all...while you were still wiping on marrowgar i was one of the original Inner Sanctum members that actually cleaned 25hc on release till LK (was bugged to **** and was bugged when u did it so please keep your mouth shut and dont try to troll me coz ur already too far deep.

@Joltie
Respect for those comments m8,atleast 1 person there, please dont mention LK25hc kill coz we all know what was his state then and how "dooable" he was.Im not butthurt but i hate to see bad
1 little funny thing about what u just wrote.

" I can only assume that he wasn't banned for exploiting, otherwise the entire raid would have joined him in a ban."

You just clearly admited that the rest of the raid was exploiting something.Gj
Belive me when i say ND is a decent guild coz all of the stuff you can brag about is the experience at wiping on something and exploiting the encounters.I havent seen yet any member of New Dawn stand out as one of the top class players in either pve or pvp (I really dont want to mention any clear examples)
Only thing that's pushing you as a guild forward is sheer luck and amount of routine trying of doing something each week.
Think what u want about me being "butthurt" but i just really gotta remind you that you clearly admited that the rest of the raid was exploiting something because everyone saw your gm get banned for exploiting.
Sometimes the good guys dont get rewarded for ther dedication in something but clearly you just stated how much confidence and skill lies in ND that you are resorting to low actions aka exploiting to get braging rights.

LET me just tell you something. WHEn you killed lk here i was already playing cata on retail for half of an year. You didnt even know what Wow is when i raided molten core. And cleared whoole icc normal and hc before that in wotlk,excluded was rs 25man hc and lk 25man hc. And before that full clear in tbc with archi and KJ done on realm kazzak guild SlashCry! And now you will tought me things? i played wow since december vanilla 2004 to 2011 cata,i didnt played in any core guild on the start such as Ensidia,Vodka,Method and lots of others if you heard of them. And i also have quite history here on molten,In was nowhere when we in GW killed lk. DOnt play smart. Im not trolling you,your doing it yourself,express from your words,not rage.

[Diemtee]

But on a side note, both Ascendants and Inner Sanctum did the Togc hc before you guys did. Ascendants were first, IS did it 5 minutes after (even though they started more than half an hour later than Ascendants). The realm first that you have is only cause that achiev was bugged at the time. Maybe that's the reason you cut of the date of this achiev on the image?

You should realize that your sidenote never happened on Deathwing. And yes, that's definitely the reason why the date is cut. In truth, that's really a photoshop and New Dawn never even existed as a guild..

I apologize to you as I stand corrected mate. Was so long that I forgot what realm it was. And I knew there was a reason why I stopped writing on forums early in the morning, when my brain still ain't working...

LET me just tell you something. WHEn you killed lk here i was already playing cata on retail for half of an year, bla, bla, bla....

I was playing Jumping Jack on a cassette player while you were barely a glow in the eyes of two young strangers. :P No offense but for real, keep yourself on molten, since it's molten that we play on and talk about here. We all did something before, be it retail or what not. And telling someone to stop waving his e-peen by waving yours gets a different result from the one you want to achiev cause you basically look and do the same as him.

[Deffan]

I apologize to you as I stand corrected mate. Was so long that I forgot what realm it was. And I knew there was a reason why I stopped writing on forums early in the morning, when my brain still ain't working...




I was playing Jumping Jack on a cassette player while you were barely a glow in the eyes of two young strangers. :P No offense but for real, keep yourself on molten, since it's molten that we play on and talk about here. We all did something before, be it retail or what not. And telling someone to stop waving his e-peen by waving yours gets a different result from the one you want to achiev cause you basically look and do the same as him.

I didnt started to show off around,i was blabla,i rly dont care what someone did,but dont be like im the king your slave atleast your friend. And i wont say a thing also.
I LL step out here,anyway no offense to any1,and we went offtopic anway soo i ll step out.

WITH passion and love, DORF DEFFAN <3

[Joltie]

Ok so.
1. Yes it was me stalking in IS. I tought it is fine cause DBM was showing me wipe announces, but later ive got told by your own guild members how you did this aka trying to make him dummy, when i was in IS we got him dummy by accidently getting some people dead in FM, but Kelddath as fair Guild Master comanded us to abandon it.

Never heard anything about turning him into a dummy (What does that even mean?). Even though from my memory, you said that New Dawn had reached like 13% HP before a wipe or something like that, a little while before actually getting the kill. Unless someone was faking DBM PMs to you, I doubt a guild which legitimately gets to 13% HP (Which only needs at worst one more minute for the kill) would then try to exploit the encounter. Doesn't add up. Own guild members saying that is something else (Unless they'd leave the guild to join other), but in the end without proof, its just someone word's against another's, and your testimony does lend a lot of credence to it being a legitimate kill. Lack of fraps, not so much, but if this present kill is of any proof, not that fraps would have shut everyone up.

About rogues, theyre aoe damage scalling is bugged, while other classes can do only 60k on adds before sindragosa i saw rogue doing 100k+.

Then if I understand correctly, it's the AOE damage that is bugged, then it's the class that is bugged, not by any intentional action by a New Dawn member, but because the class itself is poorly coded.

@Joltie
Respect for those comments m8,atleast 1 person there, please dont mention LK25hc kill coz we all know what was his state then and how "dooable" he was.Im not butthurt but i hate to see people that clearly took the easier route get the braging rights how they are too good for the rest of the population.

Again, unless Twobeard was being faked DBM reports, New Dawn did LK up to 13% or 18% just fine. So, yeah, it's doable.

1 little funny thing about what u just wrote.

" I can only assume that he wasn't banned for exploiting, otherwise the entire raid would have joined him in a ban."

You just clearly admited that the rest of the raid was exploiting something.Gj

What??? xD

What are you trying to read into that? xD I said that if he had actually been exploiting, it's obvious that the rest of the raid would have been banned too.
For example: If someone shows a picture of New Dawn doing ICC with 40 people to admins, is just the Guild leader banned for exploiting? Is it only the Raid Leader? Is it only the excess 15 people banned? Or is everyone in the raid banned?
When there's bans related to exploiting in ICC and assorted, it isn't just one person that is banned. It's everyone in the raid.

And since you require a literal statement before you're saying I'm "clearly admitting to things", no, I'm neither patently saying or implying that either Mihaal nor the rest of the raid/guild exploited. Quite the contrary.

Belive me when i say ND is a decent guild coz all of the stuff you can brag about is the experience at wiping on something and exploiting the encounters.I havent seen yet any member of New Dawn stand out as one of the top class players in either pve or pvp (I really dont want to mention any clear examples)
Only thing that's pushing you as a guild forward is sheer luck and amount of routine trying of doing something each week.
Think what u want about me being "butthurt" but i just really gotta remind you that you clearly admited that the rest of the raid was exploiting something because everyone saw your gm get banned for exploiting.
Sometimes the good guys dont get rewarded for ther dedication in something but clearly you just stated how much confidence and skill lies in ND that you are resorting to low actions aka exploiting to get braging rights.

Listen mate, for someone coming from Inner Sanctum, you sure do know very little about what makes a guild better than others.

A guild isn't about having members who stand out or who does the biggest DPS of the whole realm. It's about being the best at playing together. No, it's not sheer luck. As Mihaal said a million times, "practice makes perfect". The "feel good" and easiest thing to do for those who are worse than those at the top in every sport, in every business sector, in every situation, is to attribute the current status "to sheer luck". Sheer luck doesn't build a guild, sheer luck doesn't make a guild climb up through the ranks from nothing, sheer luck doesn't make a guild recruit good skilled and responsible people and build a tight community around the guild members, sheer luck doesn't make a guild manage to overcome consecutive bosses, and most of all, and sheer luck doesn't make a guild take all Realm Firsts of a realm.

A lot of organization, a lot of practice, a lot of patience, a lot of skill, a lot of sacrifice and a lot of teamwork does. This Halion kill doesn't come from a lucky taunt or lucky crit DPS and Heal rolls. It comes from months of organization and practice from New Dawn. End of story.

[quito]

Is there a post on the bug tracker regarding the loot problem?

[Ultty2]

ignore the hateposts, congrats on your kill, you are officially the top guild in deathwing, dont give a **** about haters, they will only make you famous in the end bc of their **** posts :3 just sit back and have a laugh :DD

[Ultty2]

don't expect loot to be fixed ever btw

[Hamsx]

Why does this always happen on New Dawn's threads? They got a "Realm First", get over it. Some people care about it, some guilds care about it, some don't. If a guild wants to no-life for a realm first and perfect their tactics on an expansion that has been out for years now, then fine. These conflicts happen on Retail, Molten, QTPIEWoW or wherever you go. I for once would like people to enjoy raiding instead of making it a job, exploit to kill stuff and be jealous and/or claim that X guild isn't legit.
I'm not trying to imply anything by this. If the kill was legitimate, then congratulations, you really deserve it. If it wasn't, then it's a shame, you're just making the game worse for you. As for people who are hating: go and kill the boss yourself, there's nothing you can do about them getting realm first.

Just my 2 cents.

[Holyoptik]

Well done guys Gratz on ur kill :) that just proves like we said before everything is possible with hard work and the will to do it.
Keep up the good work

Just like ultty said dont mind the hatters posts they'r gona hate and make u even more famous

[Boonsbane]

Is there a post on the bug tracker regarding the loot problem?

Speaking of ruby sanctum 25heroic items, you can buy them via donating :)

don't expect loot to be fixed ever btw

This forum thread was made to announce that halion is killable and it was new dawn who killed him, and i believe it has served its purpose, so cyah.

[Lindeysong]

Good job ! :D