Confessions

[Lawl]

That was my prediction at people's general reaction to my statement. People either tend to care too much or not at all.

Don't worry Grace.


Orphic and I are the extremists.


He's the one that cares too much and I'm the ******* of the forums that hates all of you c:

[Iridia]

Iridian, I'm slightly disappointed. A Molten version of Samwell Tarly would've been cooler :P.

Molten ill needs someone as cool as Sam.

[Abra]

Don't worry Grace.


Orphic and I are the extremists.


He's the one that cares too much and I'm the ******* of the forums that hates all of you c:

Hating is still technically caring.

[Mercy]

Well then, the people of Molten care too much, judging by all the hugging pics.

Me, I'm just wondering why would you forgive and not wish to punnish your offender. I won't ask about it's crime as I'm sure it will only sadden you... or maybe not (if you wish to talk, I / we're here).
But still, why? There are many factors, of course (ie, maybe you're a "turn the other cheek" / "love thy enemy" type of person). I know that I could never forgive someone who wronged me in a serious manner and I'll take justice in my own hands.... but that's just me.

Hatred only fed my depression and got me nowhere. Nor would I wish what I went through on anyone else, no matter what they were/are guilty of.

[Clovis]

Well then, the people of Molten care too much, judging by all the hugging pics.

Me, I'm just wondering why would you forgive and not wish to punnish your offender. I won't ask about it's crime as I'm sure it will only sadden you... or maybe not (if you wish to talk, I / we're here).
But still, why? There are many factors, of course (ie, maybe you're a "turn the other cheek" / "love thy enemy" type of person). I know that I could never forgive someone who wronged me in a serious manner and I'll take justice in my own hands.... but that's just me.

Because it solves nothing, fixes nothing, and only makes the world a worst place to live in.

[Mahati]

Punishing those that deserves it fixes nothing? Seriously, how can you say that? None of you answered my original question. Who will judge the rapists, murderers, molesters? God, in their afterlife some 60 years later? Can you afford letting a criminal loose because "punishment in wrong and we can't judge him"? It's obvious we will never agree on this subject. I'd gladly sentence to death a murderer who shot his 10 years old daughter in the head, and then his wife.

[Clovis]

The point of incarceration is to protect the public from a dangerous person. What good will killing that person do? It's not going to bring back the dead and it's not going to help the criminal become a better person either.

[Shiina]

We care because we love ~

Confirmed for cheesy statement.

In all honesty, I do believe that some people just deserve to die. There are those individuals, as have been mentioned in this thread, that literally just do not deserve to breathe my air. They're a plague to our community and our world. It's just... some of the things these asshats do are unthinkable. What the **** drives someone to murder their own wife and daughter?

Generally though, I agree with Grace. Unless it's an extreme, people don't deserve judged and punished for their crimes by anyone other than a jury. There really isn't a way to have an unbiased verdict as either side of the incident -- the victim, of course (unless they're actually logical after their *whatever*), will want a harsh punishment, while the criminal would ask for a lesser punishment, even pleading insanity etc.

[Iridia]

In all honesty, I do believe that some people just deserve to die. There are those individuals, as have been mentioned in this thread, that literally just do not deserve to breathe my air. They're a plague to our community and our world. It's just... some of the things these asshats do are unthinkable. What the **** drives someone to murder their own wife and daughter?

Generally though, I agree with Grace. Unless it's an extreme, people don't deserve judged and punished for their crimes by anyone other than a jury. There really isn't a way to have an unbiased verdict as either side of the incident -- the victim, of course (unless they're actually logical after their *whatever*), will want a harsh punishment, while the criminal would ask for a lesser punishment, even pleading insanity etc.

Even if it's an extreme, humanity's views about justice differ from person to person. Our views on appropriate punishments might also differ as well, and though the intention is right it could just make things worse.

[Shiina]

Yeah, like I said -- nobody is able to make a legitimately unbiased decision on one's punishment.

[Juggertank]

Mirmu definitely has a point. Dealing with the death sentence:

Of course, there's no set line where people deserve it, but there is a grey area that can be crossed. After this grey area is passed, i feel the death sentence becomes the most humane way to carry out appropriate justice (Example: mass murderers).The grey area will always vary. Undeserving people will be killed, evil people will go free, and vice versa. However, mankind has only found one humane punishment for crimes past the grey area; painless (allegedly) death. Until someone finds a more humane way than death for these crimes against humanity, death sentences must continue, as it is the nightmare verdict that protects us all from our domestic enemies.

Why can't I think of texts like this when we printing school papers...

[Orphic]

That's a rather mundane "paper", so I hope you don't choose that.

Anywho, this debate is nothing but a difference of ethics and morals, which, quite frankly, has no basis in fact. There is no universal truth as to whether we as humanity can choose whether another human being lives or dies. What we can do is respect the opinions of others and take a happy medium. That's where incarceration for life comes in; not technically death, but said criminal will invariably die an unhappy, lonely life in the bowels of some hellhole.

On a side note, I'm of the opinion that capital punishment solves nothing. Our own Owlkin gave a few examples once of how inefficient the death sentence is. Inmates in America often await their date with Thanatos for years. I've heard that the death rate in prison is higher than death row. Not only is it slow and riddled with inconsistent pleas and legal procedures that further delay the process, but lethal injections cost thousands and thousands of dollars. Just to kill someone who, yes, committed brutal, unforgivable atrocities, but one person nonetheless. That's just identifying the impractical side of the debate. I haven't even begun to delve into the murky depths of the immorality of it, in my humble opinion, and I won't, because that would incite--well, it already has, but I digress--a 50 page debate.

Might I ask what you mean, Juggertank, by "Until someone finds a more humane way than death for these crimes against humanity, death sentences must continue, as it is the nightmare verdict that protects us all from our domestic enemies."?
I can't even understand the first part of your statement. Humane way of what? Punishing? There are many methods to control a sadistic serial killer. Also, the death sentence truly is not a deterrent to homicide. Believing such is childish and naive.

[Grymninja]

Tbh, I agree with Juggertank and Negan. The death sentence is necessary. It doesn't always act as a deterrent, but if people deserve it (and yes, some DO Grace), then they should receive it.

You may argue the point that it's not their fault they were raised to become such a sadistic and insane individual, it's the fault of the society around them. Ok. They still murder their family. They still deserve to die. You can't fix them, it's too late for that (and I'm sure that would cost even more than lethal injection if they tried so lets not start a budget debate). If their actions are horrible/inhumane enough, they should be punished appropriately, regardless of their mental state.

On to a happier topic...

Taters. boil 'em, mash 'em, stick 'em in a stew.

"What are... WAT R TATERS MASTER?" - Gollum being Gollum.

[Mercy]

(and yes, some DO Grace)

I never said they didn't. I said it isn't our place to pass judgement on them.

[Grymninja]

I never said they didn't. I said it isn't our place to pass judgement on them.

Then who can? >.> They don't deserve to pass through life without paying the consequence.

Edit: Yes, maybe we (personally) don't deserve to pass judgement, but what about the Judges that actually study Law and morality, knowing full well the rules placed upon society for the greatest common good? They're qualified, and they pass the law. You shouldn't have an objection with them...