WotLK [Guide] ArmsWarrior [PvP]

[AluschI]

I've asked you if you could link me a gear build that should be able to reach the arp cap with a decent resil and you didn't, simply because you can't.

Why should i do the work when i know that you have no clou what you are talking about? Every good arms, take pve gear to improve dps. Look at all the discussions about str or agi stuff for pvp arms and you will see.

Let me tell you this, with such a low resil a well geared ret will be able to hit you with his jusdgement for something around 8k and this has nothing to with your pvp skills, cause there is nothing you can do to avoid such a high damage done from an istant spell.

The difference between 900 resi and 600 resi is less than 10% dmg income.

Reduction with 572 resi:
crit chance: 6,12%
crit dmg: 13,46%
dot dmg: 6,12%

Reduction with 936 resi:
crit chance: 9,92%
crit dmg: 21,84%
Dot: 9,92%

For your stupid 8k hit this means: 572 resi eats 6923 dmg and a 936 resi eats 6252 dmg. Your are right not the best healer in world could outheal this 671 dmg difference xD

Not to forget that a ret is a burst, no dmg, burst, no dmg class. Arms are just stupid to keep in range of a ret when everything is ready...

Now let's speak about our defensive cooldowns: you are wrong, a protection warrior use to run always with defensive stance while arms has battle stance as main; an arms warrior will never spec for Last Stand; the protection warrior pvp gear rely also on tanking pve gear that increases his survaility (mostly against mdps), we haven't got the he cooldwons of shield wall and shield block reduced by some talents like prot wars... etc etc...

You are funny, first you talk your 900 resi bull**** and now you realy say that a skilled arms will not stancedance? Stancedance is the bread and butter for every arms. Read some guides, you realy need it.

Now please, frap some of your high rated arenas where you run with 350-650 resil then come back to teach us how to play this class. Strangely, some of the best arms pvp warriors like Hoodrych or Zage has never done such a suicide thing. Cya.;)

Let me gues, all your "knowledge" comes from youtube watching arms+restro druid mirror matches 24/7?

[FLYINGBAG]

This is a good guide and the posts here should be filled with good and proper information. Please keep the trolls out of this thread. 350 resilience.....jeez what next. The other warrior pvp thread is ****. Go troll there.

[Panofsky]

Wall of nothingness...

Dude, everybody knows that you have to use pve gear an arms warrior but nobody runs with so much pve gear and such low resil. About the stance dance: again, you are changing the subject! Did I say that an arms warrior should not do some stancedance? Lol, no I didn't, I said that battle stance is just our MAIN stance. I told you which are the differences between the protection warriors def cooldowns and arms warriors ones, since you said they are pretty much the same but they are not. All you maths are concerning something different from what I was trying to told you. You have calculated how a 8k hit would be absorbed by two different kind of resilience while I was trying to told that at such low resilience you will take so much dmg that a simple judgement will be able to hit you for 8k! Can you understand the differences?

[AluschI]

I told you which are the differences between the protection warriors def cooldowns and arms warriors ones, since you said they are pretty much the same but they are not.

While all def cds are the same as arms and prot you keep with your stand that they use different stances are the big difference? You end up with no prove why prot can run around with zero resi and arms with the same defence cds can not.

All you maths are concerning something different from what I was trying to told you. You have calculated how a 8k hit would be absorbed by two different kind of resilience while I was trying to told that at such low resilience you will take so much dmg that a simple judgement will be able to hit you for 8k! Can you understand the differences?

A 572 resi target get a 8k hit? Then a 936 resi target gets a 7300 hit. You are absolutly right 700 dmg difference kills a arms in no time while the other keeps alive forever.
When you still believe that the difference between a 900 resi arms and 600 resi is that big deal, than you are just unable to do a simple math.
Keep playing your full pvp arms, wasting str, crit, arp for your livesafing 8,38% dmg reduction.

[FLYINGBAG]

While all def cds are the same as arms and prot you keep with your stand that they use different stances are the big difference? You end up with no prove why prot can run around with zero resi and arms with the same defence cds can not.

Huh? I dint know all Arms pvpers specced Last Stand...Or shield mastery. Or that that they had as much control as prot has with its stuns/silence. Omg i suck! Please teach me master!

A 572 resi target get a 8k hit? Then a 936 resi target gets a 7300 hit. You are absolutly right 700 dmg difference kills a arms in no time while the other keeps alive forever.
When you still believe that the difference between a 900 resi arms and 600 resi is that big deal, than you are just unable to do a simple math.

What the...i thought resilience also reduced the damage of a crit strike and reduced chance to crit. Which when combined with the straight damage reduction from resilience amounts to some huge differences in damage received. ****ing moron healers. Someone should tell THEM there is no difference between 1200 and 1400 resilience...

Keep playing your full pvp arms, wasting str, crit, arp for your livesafing 8,38% dmg reduction.

Huh? Full pvp gear with 900 resilience? And i thought we were allowed to equip wrathful and not just furious gear...i hope i am not bug abusing or something when i can get 1250 resilience with full pvp armor if i want...I swear i had seen it being done on retail as well!

[Noxiousz]

So much badness in recent replies.
If you cannot get decent trinkets on molten, you aren't viable, if you wont get mourne/oathbinder you at least need the trinkets to compete (at least dbw+wfs if you wont donate, or sts normal), so I don't think discussing about mjolnir runestone has a point here, no it is not better than WFS nor will it ever be.
Now back to the real point, mace spec sucks, badly, avoid it. Axe is great at "low" gear, when you do not have access to few agility items to boost your crit up to 35-40% without axe spec (do not EVER gem for crit).
For 2s you need at least 900 resilience, don't be a dumbass and listen to that guy saying 350-600 resi is fine, you aren't prot you can get globaled even with 900 vs 2 human dps with hc trinkets, they will blow you up in matter of momments with that low resilience, since even when u go 1.2k~ its hard to survive.
For 3s you dont want your resi to be bellow 1k, unless you run double healer that is.

[Peregrine]

Agrred with Nox,in 3s you should aim at 1100 res - or +.In 2s you gotta be min 900 res or get globaled by frost/shadow,rogue/shadow,Ele/frost,dlock/ele or gg.
Either Sword if you dont have smourne /oathbinder.
Wfs is much better due to 15 sec uptime vs Mjolnir 10 and more crit+ arp is somewhat situtional while wfs is amasing vs clothies(atk power beats arp vs clothies).

[Panofsky]

Alushi, go home you are drunk.

[Peraz]

Fix the talents section. It says to deticate a point to one or another talents but then you cant open another set of talents, I had to put points in those talents, you don't want me to give in. And Deep wounds is actually 3/3 not 2/2. Next time do it on the simulator...

[nemisis246]

great post, i need to study it in detail wen i get home from work :D

[TikiThorsen]

??How what/should I re-customise if I equip the Cryptmaker?

[zakou3570]

THE PROBLEM ISNT ONLY THE DAMAGE .YOU LOOSE 30% PROCS THAT PROC WITH BLOCK ,PARY, DODGE AND NOW ONLY PARY AND DODGE ALL TALENT TREE PROCS ARE USELESS 30 % NO NEED TO TEST JUST PUT MOUSE ON BLOCK STAT AT YOUR CHAR YOU WIL SEE 0% 0% THEY DO THAT BECAUSE THEY CANT FIX THE DAMAGE THAT THE BLOCK RETURNS TO TARGETS .AND IF YOU FIGHT NORMAL MOBS SOME BLOCKS PROCS BUT ON ICC BOSSES NOTHING..... Block Chance 16% Block Rating of 0% adds 0% Block Your block stops 1600 damage. PUT THE MOUSE IN YOUR CHAR TO GET THE POINT

[Panofsky]

??How what/should I re-customise if I equip the Cryptmaker?

I would not suggest you to use Cryptmaker as a pvp weapon. The mace specialization is the worst you can choose and that weapon gives you hit rating, which means your hit rating will decrease a lot when you will switch to one hand and shield.

[Panofsky]

THE PROBLEM ISNT ONLY THE DAMAGE .YOU LOOSE 30% PROCS THAT PROC WITH BLOCK ,PARY, DODGE AND NOW ONLY PARY AND DODGE ALL TALENT TREE PROCS ARE USELESS 30 % NO NEED TO TEST JUST PUT MOUSE ON BLOCK STAT AT YOUR CHAR YOU WIL SEE 0% 0% THEY DO THAT BECAUSE THEY CANT FIX THE DAMAGE THAT THE BLOCK RETURNS TO TARGETS .AND IF YOU FIGHT NORMAL MOBS SOME BLOCKS PROCS BUT ON ICC BOSSES NOTHING..... Block Chance 16% Block Rating of 0% adds 0% Block Your block stops 1600 damage. PUT THE MOUSE IN YOUR CHAR TO GET THE POINT

Guess you have written in the wrong thread. I sugegst you to delete this msg.

[TikiThorsen]

I would not suggest you to use Cryptmaker as a pvp weapon. The mace specialization is the worst you can choose and that weapon gives you hit rating, which means your hit rating will decrease a lot when you will switch to one hand and shield.

Yeah, I was thinking the same, I'll stick to my Bonegrinder. Kthxbai