Cataclysm [Guide] Frost PvP

[Cybazaar]

It's bugged, gives 20 rp back when used to heal urself. The hotfix for 4.0.6a for retail hasn't been applied in molten yet.


Increasing your necrotic strike absorb by a pretty high amount, it's not worth the exchange.

Applied or not DC wont refund RP when you heal yourself with it on 4.3.4 Looking down to this guide people will be mislead and confused when playing on a scripted server. I actually didnt know this is bugged on Molten, but however its going to be fixed soon. I believe.

Necrotics are lowered by Res on 4.3.4. Pretty high amount... not at all.

[Kemii]

Whoa, whoa. Masterfrost in Frost Presence is a NO GO. The run speed and haste increase are WAY more valuable to be replaced. I could explain but this is obvious since it's basic knowledge.
Why improve frost presence? Simply because you need to reach 31 points in frost and if you're using a 2h masterfrost build, annihilation is not worth it and nerves of cold steel/threat of thassarian are useless. Rather have an small increase in runic power gain than nothing.
Third of all, in pvp, popping your defensive cooldowns too early is a very bad idea. Only if you know you're going to get a huge burst should you use AMS quickly. There are trinkets to get you out of those rough situations. Knowing when to use the skill is crucial and I will rather land a CC and tear down the partner, or, if in a bg, give myself enough time to control the situation is so much better than wasting it. Also, your opponents are not stupid. If they see you AMS-ing right at the start they'll wait until you're exposed to CC you lol.
Appart from that, nothing else to say.

For toshika: Something that came up to my mind while writing this.. You should specify that this is a 2h masterfrost guide and not simply a frost pvp guide because there are at least four combinations for frost.
-Regular DW Frost
-DW Masterfrost
-2h Masterfrost
-Regular 2h Frost
Obviously there are prefered ones but you should always be specific when you want to write a guide.

To finish, thanks Ceironn for completing what I meant with keeping obliterate in your bars. Those are the most relevant cases.

At high end areans where you need more pressure than just damage 2h is what you should be going with. Fair enough if you just wanna go faceroll at 1.5k then go DW but come to 2.2k+ your gonna need this, as with this current comps in the top 20 all being plate wearing Hpala/UHDK then even more so for Masterfrost-NonOblit spec. Like I said somewhere in another thread, my blue gear, this spec and my skill got me top 20 on warsong, with every other team being full ruthless. (All ****ing UHDK/Hpala)

Applied or not DC wont refund RP when you heal yourself with it on 4.3.4 Looking down to this guide people will be mislead and confused when playing on a scripted server. I actually didnt know this is bugged on Molten, but however its going to be fixed soon. I believe.

Necrotics are lowered by Res on 4.3.4. Pretty high amount... not at all.

This is a guide for Molten on Molten. Im sorry if some derp with an IQ of a frog came here looking for a retail guide, that is not my issue. I Wrote the guide for the molten people, taking into consideration Molten bugs. You want a retail guide go look at ArenaJunkies or ElitistJerks.

[mdvc]

Wow lol. I don't see the point in your post other than bragging about your arena ranking. If you read what I said, I was only suggesting you specify what spec this guide covers and what kind of players you're addressing to. It's written like if it was intended for moderate-to-high geared people. Not for beginners. Which isn't a bad, but in that case, you should simply include it in the introduction. What works for you doesn'y necessarily work for others. That's a very arrogant way of thinking.

[Kemii]

Wow lol. I don't see the point in your post other than bragging about your arena ranking. If you read what I said, I was only suggesting you specify what spec this guide covers and what kind of players you're addressing to. It's written like if it was intended for moderate-to-high geared people. Not for beginners. Which isn't a bad, but in that case, you should simply include it in the introduction. What works for you doesn'y necessarily work for others. That's a very arrogant way of thinking.

It's a really simple spec, no need to think when to use oblit, you have 3 buttons. Howling = Frost, Necro = Unholy, Frost Strike = Runic Power.

Like I said my blue geared (starter pvp gear on warsong) can faceroll, gear is not much of an issue, Yes your game is gonna take a little longer if you **** up, but you can still do pretty well.

I never mentioned my personal arena rating, I can if you wish. >.>

[Youseewhyx]

Highest 2 man personal rating
5619
Highest 3 man team rating
4004
Highest 2 man team rating
5615

->> dat ceiron :3

[mdvc]

Fine, I'll be clear this time. First of all, if you think that frost is only one spell and three skills then you're very wrong and have a LOT to learn. Two, as I said before 'what works for you doesn't have to work for everyone. That's arrogant thinking". That means It's irrelevant how well you do with blue gear in warsong and how long you took to do whatever. If you're writing a guide you must remain impersonal about it. In that case, you should,t give it such a general name as "frost dk pvp guide" and use "how to pvp like me" instead lol. Third and last, no, I don't care about simple numbers. If you're not going to be flexible about constructive criticism and suggestions then you shouldn't be writing.

Not to be confused with a rage post, this is my objective point of view.

[Cybazaar]

This is a guide for Molten on Molten.

Narrow minded as fock. As you wish.
Would you then explain why do you use Glyph of Blood Tap, when Blood Tap does not work on Molten. Therefore i am right about replacing that glyph with the Resilient Grip glyph, which is extremely handy

Speaking of which bugs Molten has, you could also mention that AMS fills you with RP when taking magic damage even when you arent Unholy DK and you dont have the talent that improves AMS.

Also werent you that DK that cried to heaven about how UDKs are bugged right now and how everybody ABUSES with the current bugs and in the same time you say: "Well, Glyph of Deaths Embrace is bugged so i abuse it as HELL, cuz ima pro and i talk about mah 5k+ ratingz"

Kewl, have a break girl.

[Youseewhyx]

Narrow minded as fock. As you wish.
Would you then explain why do you use Glyph of Blood Tap, when Blood Tap does not work on Molten. Therefore i am right about replacing that glyph with the Resilient Grip glyph, which is extremely handy

Speaking of which bugs Molten has, you could also mention that AMS fills you with RP when taking magic damage even when you arent Unholy DK and you dont have the talent that improves AMS.

Also werent you that DK that cried to heaven about how UDKs are bugged right now and how everybody ABUSES with the current bugs and in the same time you say: "Well, Glyph of Deaths Embrace is bugged so i abuse it as HELL, cuz ima pro and i talk about mah 5k+ ratingz"

Kewl, have a break girl.

Blood tap works partially. so wut?

Can you guys please stop ruining this guide, both of you.

[Kemii]

Speaking of which bugs Molten has, you could also mention that AMS fills you with RP when taking magic damage even when you arent Unholy DK and you dont have the talent that improves AMS.

Also werent you that DK that cried to heaven about how UDKs are bugged right now and how everybody ABUSES with the current bugs and in the same time you say: "Well, Glyph of Deaths Embrace is bugged so i abuse it as HELL, cuz ima pro and i talk about mah 5k+ ratingz"

And I'm also the girl who put the AMS on the bug tracker... If you cared to look. Hey look a Dev noticed and put it as pending..

And the Glyph of Death's Embrace is bugged for all DKs, so shoot me cos I added it to a frost guide >.> I play with a healer, I rarely find much use for it, but I do know a lot of DKs who would rather BG or don't play with a healer and therefore it's still applicable.

[mdvc]

Ruining the guide? Go ahead and tell me if anything I said is wrong.
Anyway, snarky comments aside, you should really consider what has been said for the guide, Jyx.
A guide can't work without constructive criticism.

[Cybazaar]

Ceironn, gtfo bro, im not even talking with you.

Tosh i cant really understand the logic of complaining about some bugs and call them gamebreaking and use others meanwhile. Such a pro spirit eh? (i mention it again because youre the one that doesnt stop putting his rating in our faces, literally, every time).

If you managed to read at what i said in my first comment, you should understand that my words are without hate or such, i just tried to help/fix some things. Glyph of Blood Tap seems useless by many reasons.... ESPECIALLY IF WE INCLUDE THE DC BUG YOU ABUSE.

Nvm, keep getting offended by any word that doesnt match with your way of thinking. Like i care :D

[Henry1313]

i usually go down to sudden doom instead as they are already slow and i play 2's more than anything else. ill play with it but my oblit damage is considerable... il interject necrotics occasionally as needed.

P.S.-
oh and no offense but are you on drugs? who has the time or desire to create such a post? and if you think you've found an edge why would you tell anyone? fame? LOL!

:)

[Davelan]

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For Jyx :x

[Nino101]

how much % of crit i need ?

[Davelan]

how much % of crit i need ?

minimum. I always reforge crit to mastery.