Unofficial recount of rated bg's / rbg's ! @ Amyza

[Tdotsavage]

You really are pretty naive aren't you?
I won't get into arguments with you, becuase I'm no longer allowed to.

But I would suggest you stop taking this game so seriously. After all you're being a hypocrite, considering the fuss that went with their last rbg when they had a guy from brotherhood because "his main was in the guild and this was his alt"

Big difference between 9/10 with his main in the guild and a 6/10 run

[Aiovous]

When both guild leaders agree on a guild run, your suppose to go through with your word, if your word means nothing then there really is nothing else to say ...

I remember members of Anarchy Inc disputing whether or not the games between the two of you were acceptable considering you had a player from another guild in your team. You claim he had his main in your guild (and there's really no way to prove that), but that was after the game, just as the players from outside Criminals Club joined the guild during the game to make it legitimate. If you're saying their team was illegitimate then you're indirectly agreeing that so were your games vs Anarchy Inc. Or are you saying that excuses such as:

Big difference between 9/10 with his main in the guild and a 6/10 run

Make it ok? Are you saying that rules are meant to be solid and the word of a leader is meant to be honest, but exceptions can be made as long as you decide them? Sure, Criminals Club had more players from outside the guild than you did, but you're acting as if these rules are absolute - which they should be to be considered "guild games" - yet both of you broke the rules. So in that regard; either Criminals Club's team and victory counts aswell as yours vs Anarchy Inc or it doesn't, and neither does yours.

Also, I thought we agreed to leave the drama out of this thread? Check yourself, Tclick.

[Tdotsavage]

I remember members of Anarchy Inc disputing whether or not the games between the two of you were acceptable considering you had a player from another guild in your team. You claim he had his main in your guild (and there's really no way to prove that), but that was after the game, just as the players from outside Criminals Club joined the guild during the game to make it legitimate. If you're saying their team was illegitimate then you're indirectly agreeing that so were your games vs Anarchy Inc. Or are you saying that excuses such as:



Make it ok? Are you saying that rules are meant to be solid and the word of a leader is meant to be honest, but exceptions can be made as long as you decide them? Sure, Criminals Club had more players from outside the guild than you did, but you're acting as if these rules are absolute - which they should be to be considered "guild games" - yet both of you broke the rules. So in that regard; either Criminals Club's team and victory counts aswell as yours vs Anarchy Inc or it doesn't, and neither does yours.

Also, I thought we agreed to leave the drama out of this thread? Check yourself, Tclick.

There was a difference because anarchys GM said they were bringing a random so they let me know that they were gonna bring atleast 1, coming close to the RBG they never said they weren't going to not bring him/her so 1 alt really dosent make a difference.

However Jackadin said guild run my guild vs your guild 10/10 and he didn't even bring more than 6 members

"Il do as I please"

[Gentik]

They didn't GY farm us, we willfully stayed there because their guild leader went against his word and we refuse to participate with waste mans such as jackadin, that can't even hold his word ... When we ask and confirmed on a guild run you don't bring randoms that just makes you look bad it's like saying if Argentina faced Germany in the World Cup finals and brings 3 of Brazils best players puts em in uniform and beats Argentina is it really legit? They would be disqualified before the game even started but your the type of person that will boast about it like it really means something

We had 3 guildies not show up for rated that was important for our comp but we took other guildies instead because it was a guild run, I honestly don't see the reason to /flex about a 6/10 group that was suppose to be a guild run

Maybe swapping out fatality trash for randoms from global would be an upgrade to your team, but if you actually had decent players it would harm more than help to have people of unconfirmed skill, no communication and people being unaware of the strategy being used.

[Pallzdani]

And so the trashtalk continues >.>

[Aiovous]

1 alt really dosent make a difference.

It does because you broke the rules - the rules you made up - if even just a little. And even so, again; at this point there's no way to prove that the player in the other guild was actually the alt of a player in your guild. But does it really matter? The character was representing another guild - that's the point of guild games; for everyone to wear the same nametag. You had a player that didn't, so it's not a guild team, alt or no alt. Either we decide on the rules and follow them 100% or we don't and we just make teams vs teams, no guild representation what so ever.

Also, if you're going to push your agenda - what's to say that the characters from Criminal Club's team that weren't at the time in the guild, weren't just alts of members inside the guild? Obviously you would find such a thing acceptable, would you not? The only reason why you think 1 character exception is ok is because it supports your case, but that doesn't mean you're right. Maybe Criminal's Club read your arguments during the conflict with Anarchy Inc and thought "hey, this guy says it's ok to have characters from other guilds as long as their mains are in the guild". It's not like you were setting a good example to begin with, you're merely making stuff up as you go along while trying to benefit your own interests.

This thread was meant to be objective and on point with the history logs of Rated Battlegrounds on Neltharion, and as such there should be open and clear rules for every team to abide by. And so; I suggest that both the games between Fatality and Criminals Club aswell as the games between Fatality and Anarchy Inc are negated due to rule breaking.

The games prior to these have had no dispute regarding rule breaking, but these most recent ones should not be counted as "guild games".

[-Notorious-]

I told myself I would avoid the drama, but I have to post to point out the hypocrisy going on here.

Tdot, take a moment and try to view this objectively. You brought someone outside of the guild, and they did the same. The number is irrelevant, the fact that the main is in guild is irrelevant, the ilvls are irrelevant.

Either you accept that your games don't count against Anarchy, or you accept that your games DO count against Criminals.

For the record, you shouldn't PvP if you're going to take losses this seriously. It's a game, don't gets so worked up about losing. Everyone posting in this thread (myself included) has been a noob and has lost many many games. You don't need to go cry a river about some rules if it happens. Just accept the result and move on.

Furthermore, the game was still 10v10. If you want to claim to be a top guild, you should be able to beat any 10 players, whether they are in the same guild or not. If you had DCs, it would be understandable (however, a top guild can win 9v10 just as easily to). You need to respect yourself and your guild mates by taking on tough challenges, accepting defeat, and improving on your mistakes.
Making excuses in a sign of a bad leader, and you yourself said Hordes need a strong leader. Step up your game or step down.

[Tdotsavage]

Yea well criminals even admitted they brought randoms so that has nothing to do with a guild run, alts are 1 thing bringing randoms are another thing. If anarchy said they were going to bring 1 person from another guild and we end up doing the same then there's nothing wrong with that also considering his main is in the guild you can message him in game his name is Dragovic. However I have no problems rematching anarchy or criminals as long as it's 10/10 because I know my guildies (horribull Medan and grinder) really wanna get at it

[Tdotsavage]

Maybe swapping out fatality trash for randoms from global would be an upgrade to your team, but if you actually had decent players it would harm more than help to have people of unconfirmed skill, no communication and people being unaware of the strategy being used.

Suck it ... Ally scum /spit

http://youtu.be/DkMO2gcS5ag

[Aiovous]

Yea well criminals even admitted they brought randoms so that has nothing to do with a guild run, alts are 1 thing bringing randoms are another thing.

No, it is not "another thing". They are the same thing; they are breaking the rules.

If anarchy said they were going to bring 1 person from another guild and we end up doing the same then there's nothing wrong with that

Yet they didn't; you did. Also this is the first time you mention that you had an agreement prior to the games allowing you to bring someone from outside of the guild and still counting it as a guild team which makes me think you're lying through your teeth and that never happened. It also doesn't help that nobody from Anarchy mentioned such a conversation in the argument regarding this the last time, which again makes me think you're just making **** up as you go along.

also considering his main is in the guild you can message him in game his name is Dragovic.

And what, take his word for it? The facts are that your team - aswell as Criminal's Club - broke the rules, these are the facts and the only facts. Everything else is just heresay and it's all coming from you - conveniently.

However I have no problems rematching anarchy or criminals as long as it's 10/10 because I know my guildies (horribull Medan and grinder) really wanna get at it

Then it's decided then; Fatality will rematch both Anarchy Inc and Criminals Club and the results of the games between these guilds prior to this are negated due to rulebreaking, meaning that as of now the score between all of these guilds are set back to 0. Agreed?

[Tdotsavage]

I agree

/msg2short

[Aiovous]

I agree

/msg2short

And there we have it.

So, considering Amyza never posted the results of the game between Criminals Club and Fatality on the main page - will Amyza as so kindly remove the results between Fatality and Anarchy Inc from the scoreboard?

Also, I still think a list of rules should be typed out and posted along with the scoreboard on the main post, but considering I'm not currently actively involved in these games myself I'm not going to go through the effort to do something like that. Perhaps someone else who seems very keen on upholding law & order might be interesting in doing something like that.

[Gentik]

Suck it ... Ally scum /spit

http://youtu.be/DkMO2gcS5ag

I made a valid point which you chose to ignore and instead you attempt to provoke a negative response. As a guild master, please try to represent your guild with maturity in future.

[Tdotsavage]

I made a valid point which you chose to ignore and instead you attempt to provoke a negative response. As a guild master, please try to represent your guild with maturity in future.

You did not make a valid point because my best 10 fatality members can compete with any alliance guild on this server, not saying we will have a 100% winrate but we def will make you work for your win unless you break certain rules. You should change your avatar though I mean you clearly aren't the "bestest rogue" on the server and that's a fact. Nevermore / thegambit / erenr would crush you

[Gentik]

You did not make a valid point because my best 10 fatality members can compete with any alliance guild on this server, not saying we will have a 100% winrate but we def will make you work for your win unless you break certain rules. You should change your avatar though I mean you clearly aren't the "bestest rogue" on the server and that's a fact. Nevermore / thegambit / erenr would crush you

But if randoms from global are a better replacement for your 10 best then they cant be very good then.

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GENTIK BESTEST ROUGE EU!

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Horde scum /spit