Arguments please, tested on another private server, pvp better than wotlk? Even partially working garrisons? Some class got some bugs but still, when you compare wod and mop clean pvp without pve trash vs wotlk pve hard or die? Also wods gear idea works great, PVP items scales in PVP environment, so PVE gear sucks and vice versa in pve environment.
And lets look on timeline:(http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Timeli...d_of_Warcraft))
2010 - June 22 - Patch 3.3.5 in North America..
2010 - December 7 - Cataclysm expansion released
Now you see why people liked wotlk, not enaught time for farming both A8 and PVE bis parts like trinkets weps relics. So you cant reach such ******ed dps like players got now, every 2nd player runs around with PVP breaking ******ed burst gear instead of skill based gear like full pvp. I can remember good times when arenas was fun game like chess, but now only got icc gear look at my burst. Nowadays new wotlk players farming PVE bis gear and weps before joining arena, when they must farm only pvp gear and pve gear must be useless in pvp environment. But in current game state:
1.)Only 1 A8 ring lol? but even then icc ring better?
2.)Icc trinkets provides better static stats and burst stats than pvp ones? wtf?
3.)lolmourne(trinket + wep)? better than 3vs3 wep?
4.)pvp relics and ranged weapons even 3vs3 worse than pve bis?
Wipe all pve gear from pvp and i will say "wotlk best pvp expansion" but now on bursts based ******ed game.(why you need rogue when paladin can kill player with 100% hp under 1 stun duration?)
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For me MOP sucks hard is like a childish game . WOD is cool because they added the Garrison and much other things .The point is that If you want to play WOD you need to play in blizzard the pirate servers can't afford to create a good working Garrison , and to remove all the bugs .
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Garrisons were not cool at all... Imo after 2 months it became really boring... HELL even after 1 month! Mop was acutally MUCH MUCH better then Wod in many aspects (beside the long raid tier of SOO). Not sure why people want WOD! Half of the player base on retail quit cause of the sucky expansion!
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You voluntarily choose to ignore the vast majority of the game's content (say whatever you like, the fact remains World of Warcraft is a PvE game with PvP content, not the other way around by any means) and want to complain that people who do it all end up better equipped than you in your limited niche choice? You're the same as a level 19 twink who complains people who level all the way to the cap are stronger than them.
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I'm stealing this comparison, that's great lol
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Iam 100% sure you never played mop. Because check PVP and PVE, you can see real player state, only 10-20% of players playing PVE? Why? Maybe because they items no longer provide them with significant benefits, compared to another players, playing same content. And yes PVP requires more skill, because your opponent got same gear and now only skill matters. I can remember good times, joined 1 Russian, new Wotlk server and arenas was great also bg's. Average arena duration 6-10 min? Now only 1.-3 min, because whole player skill based on cc stacking and burst. In new wotlk server most of pvp players used only passive attack power trinkets? there are burst abilities like paladin wings, but when icc gear comes in game thought donate and raiding, game now bases on burst and cc? instead of patience and waiting for opponent incorrect moves. Now arena feels like ****, you will ask why?When we started arena on new server everyone was coming with furious, some A7 offset, directly from bgs? but now if i create character in wotlk realm and join arena? furious gear shadow-mourn? HC trinkets? Yes you can own them on skill, but now imagine you hit him for 5k, but he can hit you for 8-9k or more?
And PVE? requires no skill? DBM and tactics online, you know every enemy move before him?
PVe need some random scripts 10 scripts for every boss, with random abilities, they can use in every state so ad-dons gives no benefit.
Imagine DBM in PVP - rogue will attack you, after 5 seconds, use aoe.. You will call pvp noob content. But when noobs know every boss move? You call them skilled PVE players. Double standards. And blizz lost players because, they cant do properly content they love?
When you do PVE:
1. Rep or craft gear?
2.Dungeons and ICC rep farm;
3.Raids.
And PVP must be(MOP variant):
1.Craft PVP gear + wg quests;
2.Bg's+ 10 arena games(wotlk only);
3. 2vs2 Arena with a6-a7.
4. 3vs3 Arena with A8;
But in wotlk?
1.bg for daily AP and honor + wg quests +10 arena games;
2. Die hard PVE for BIS trinkets and weps.
3. Now with hc weapon(better or equiv to 3vs3), shoulders and jewelry we can start arena 2vs2 and show skill to players with crafted weapon(they cant buy furious)
4.3vs3 why? we got already better wep and shoulders?
-->Reason why blizz lost subs in cata? Most of pvp players hates pve and when you crash they content they leave game?(Wotlk got not enought time, 6 months only, but cata got enaught time)
-> same time pve? Ah PVP gear still sucks in PVE and nobady wanna pvp players in they group? Cata and Wotlk best expansion?
And now, why PVe players hates mop and wod? They lost player base for PVE, gear from PVe gives no benefits in PVP.Edited: August 15, 2015
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I'd like some credible sources for all the percentages you throw left and right.
Because as far as expansions and new content go, it all shows exactly what I said: World of Warcraft is a PvE game with PvP content. Not playing the biggest part of the experience is your choice, and you don't get to whine that people who go further than you are more powerful than you. Arena and Battlegrounds are about winning with anything available in the game, not winning exclusively with what you like.
As I said, you're the same as twinks, with the exception that twinks only fight with other twinks of the same range, so they don't complain when they are beaten by someone who doesn't locks their level.
You're of course free to start your own Arena trend, organizing matches only between people who fit what you like, the way twinks do. Don't expect people who want to win to stop going out and doing the largest amount of content in the game to get better gear than you, though.
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Don't post or make references to other private servers.
Eh but ok, then whole mop == twinks? Why your content must be superior to PVP one? And pvp players like skill vs skill. Not gear >skill (PVe hybrids loves). And molten loses donate from other expansion support i can type more with real numbers form other servers but i think, i can get another warning and ban here. Any way every time when you delay new expansion, you will lose thousands of potential players. Less money for current devs or hiring new ones. And as long as i know and noticed here, speaking with fanboys provides no benefits. Cant provide direct numbers or any other sources(because post will be deleted even without server names but population counts from them) but count sometimes how many players molten really lost? because of delays?
And read topic about gear, explains bunch of things: http://www.engadget.com/2014/01/29/w...-and-pve-gear/
Quote: "But let's leave that to one side for now. Regardless of the outcome, the aim is to make PvP gear better for PvP, and PvE gear better for PvE. Why is this important? Well, because players who want to do PvP shouldn't have to PvE to get the best gear for their chosen discipline, and vice versa."
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Using another private server by name, and one that blatantly fakes numbers at it, doesn't qualifies as showing where your percentages come from. I want retail data that proves anything of what you say.
That article is cute, but is nothing more than wishful thinking right now, and likely in the future. Game developers want longevity for their games. They have no interest in catering to a tiny fraction of their player base who wants to focus on a single thing out of all their game has to offer.
As I pointed out in my previous post, you're free to make your own niche group of people who "do it right" by your standards, but most of the players, PvPers included, won't care about it. For them, what the game offers is "what's right," not what someone who plays one single aspect tells them.
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You are aware private servers can fake numbers. So those statistics you pull could be a lot lower than its shown. Why does PVE content have to be superior to PVP? Maybe so it dosent get boring to those of us who play PVE. I play on Frostwolf MoP and i rarely see any PVE gear in bg's and arena so i dont know what are you talking about. Why dont we want to add WoD to our roster of servers? Other than our current expansions deserve more attention than one who offers very little other than questing and raids i cant think of much right now. The topic you linked makes no sense to hold your argument if there was one. PvP gear in PvP is better than PVE gear in MoP right now because of PvP power. I really dont understand what are you trying to say so try to be more clear if you can.
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In mop yes, iam talking about wotlk and cata.
Edited: August 16, 2015
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Wotlk bugged, Cata bugged, Mop bugged. and you want crap WOD? .. Not going happen mate. It's stupid even consider to open new exp server since older ones not even fixed 90% ... If you want so bad WOD go on toplists and find WOD server and go play plenty of them exist allready.
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Well said.
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Like my boss said when we developing MVC applications, develop some basic product even with bugs and improve over time? And as long as i know devs fixing PVP content faster than PVE, because players demand PVP, so in all private servers PVP>PVE and they copy paste and edit scripts from previous expansions for bg's and disabling new bgs until fix. Fixing spells and abilities before another low priority content like quests and PVE.
---> Agile software development is a group of software development methods in which solutions evolve through collaboration between self-organizing,[1] cross-functional teams. It promotes adaptive planning, evolutionary development, EARLY DELIVERY , continuous improvement, and encourages rapid and flexible response to change.
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Hehe mop sucks but garrisons are cool :D cool story brah
