Happens too rarely to even take throws into account. Out of the last 50 or so games, I've had maybe 2 throws. Otherwise, if you're good, you're just good and completely dominate. If you're bad, you lose because the enemy team is better and they dominate you. Luck only comes into account when it comes to your team mates, but even then, if you are good you can influence the game enough to win. The best example to support my claim that your personal skill alone dictates how a game goes is the role of support in the bot lane. Basically you have no kill yet you still win through making things work. How does that work? If the game wasn't dictated by skill, then the role of support would be useless, since being able to kill enemies would be the only way to win a game.
You kill enemies, you are free to push, you win. Easy, right?
All I'm trying to say is that people love to say their favorite game is all skill, yada yada and that LoL is casual and all that. But the truth is, LoL is easy to get into, easy to just get in and play, and sometimes win, but it's hard to master. It's hard to be consistently good at the game and if you're not, it shows. Really close calls are very rare in LoL unlike CS go since it's the next popular thing discussed here, because that's how LoL works. You're either good and win, or bad and lose. No in betweens.
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This game, we had the crappiest early game ever. I did alright, 2-1 before mid game... At minute 15-20 I started to get ganked because they were at our inhib turrets, and there wasn't really much I could do to stop and get the inhib.
At the 33 minute mark, after all the farm, I was with 250 CS, not that much but, it was really good for the items I had to buy... Vayne went top, and killed Cho'gath, he was full AP as you can see, he hurts lol. Anyway, after that, I had an idea of going to mid and try to stop them, I had randuins, Triforce, and Visage. We managed to ace them. We pushed and did baron at 35 minute mark. Their teamfight was horrible, even with Cho'gath their he would get killed before he joined the teamfights. I could do whatever I wanted (which was kill caitlyn).
After that baron, we managed to get 5 turrets (the first 2 from top, the first 2 from mid, and the first from bot). Yes, we had no turrets down on our favour, we also had no drake. It was a pretty rough game for them, maybe if Evelynn made tank'ish from the start we could've even the math.
Not to mention everyone was flaming, I was just focusing on the game, there's no point in being angry because of a bad match in League.I just muted our Vayne, which turned out at the end to be comprehensive.
Anyway, that happened because nobody ganked me before the mid-game, me and cho could farm for as long as we wanted, we couldn't kill each other after he hit level 6.
I did a really stupid mistake, Zed chased me down using blade, and I thought I could kill him (Only item I did not have at the time was thornmail)... I died in seconds lol, then I took a look at his build... He was fully built lol.
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Every game is changeable, you don't have to rely on your teammates to climb, if you do alright on the games you do you'll climb eventually.
I used to be a flamer too, but you can just ignore people, and most importantly, focus on the game you're doing, not your teammate's..
What I suggest for you to do, is to play some other game, for a while. (Like I'm doing now, played CS:GO for a while, and finnaly had the feeling of having fun again, be a newbie, understand other people's perspective and such).
We can play a match if you want, just for fun, I don't know what league you are, I'm not that great either, but if you wanna climb and stuff, stop flaming is a good step to start.
About what you said, killing enemies you're free to push. True, but you don't have necessarily to kill someone to push...
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The world will end, with reality crumbling under its own weight, the moment two bad teams meet and both are forced to lose, and two good teams meet and both are forced to win.
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It's your fault for building Thornmail. It's also your fault for building Thornmail against the team you were against.
What for? I don't see a reason to build it against the team you were up against. The way it seems, you were too busy farming top than being active in the game overall. Out of 35 possible kills, you only participated in 12, at all. That's way less than half, so that means that some 60% of the fights, your team was fighting 4v5, so to speak. Also your CS is way too high comparing with the rest of your team, which means you focused more on farming than helping around the map. I mean if the rest of your team had 250+ CS, then yes, but right now it looks like all you did was farming top while the team was dying at drake or something. It's really about the time / CS ratio, and in a 44 minute game with 30something kills per team, it proves that you focused a lot on farming alone.
I mean look at the enemy team CS, and your team CS and see what I'm trying to say.
Impossible. There are no equals ever in this world. Someone will always be better or worse.Edited: August 25, 2015
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Why would I even build more items with Magic resist? I had visage lol, he had Liandrys, so making more HP / MR would be pointless...
You don't see a reason to build randuins? They have 3 AD, one of which was carrying the game by himself. The AP that they had, died almost everytime before every teamfight there was.
I didn't even bother to go defend, because they gave up at the 20 minute mark lol, besides, what would I do there? I was smart enough to farm for a while longer and try to get something out of it later in the game. It would be pointless to go there with the items I had at the time... If I did, I would be dead in seconds. Cho'gath was always top with me, so 4v4.
Drake? They never fought for a single drake lol. I was the one to ping them to go to the drake the first time, and they couldn't do it because they were low lol.Edited: August 25, 2015
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"Good and win, bad and lose" and "better or worse" aren't the same thing.
You don't become bad because you meet someone better.
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No one said anything about magic resist. Thornmail is just bad. You could have done better with a Sunfire Cape.
Yep, although they are AD, buying Randuins against them would be like buying RoA on Katarina because it gives AP. It's a good items though, but you could have still dropped Thornmail in favor of something else.
Also, no one had Banshee's veil. One good knockup from Cho probably made that game, which could have been prevented by the item. IDK, just saying, there are better option to be had.
Again, I ask why didn't you help your team? If Cho was top so 4v4, if you went there it would have been a 5v4 in your favor, gg easy win. Seriously man... You already said you and Cho couldn't kill each other so top was practically a perma stalemate, and nothing to be gain from it.
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In relation to them, yes you suddenly become bad. There is no objective good or bad, it's only in relation with whom you're up against. All you can do is improve your own personal skill since you are the greatest factor influencing your own games.
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Then everyone who lost any game at all is "bad," and the only "good" is someone who never lost any game ever.
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Why at all? You were bad dwhen you were at thee beginning and lost a lot of games, but as your skill increases, you become better and better and to people that lose vs you, you are good. Again, it's all relative to who you fight against.
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Sunfire cape would've been worst... Because of Zed... Botrk, I think I already had 3k+ HP, more HP would result in me taking even more damage...
Banshee, yes, but I could not take banshee, I need visage for my W, I heal alot from it.
I already said, I didn't help them because they were fed, and I knew, if I went there, I would die... If I died there, would be a lost game... Cho would've free far and stack up easily, and could've carried with Zed.
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There are still absolutes. There are good players, who win consistently, and bad players, who lose consistently. Some improve over time, some never do. If two good players go against each other multiple times, they might share an equal amount of wins and loses. Losing doesn't makes you bad, unless that's all you do. Your skill isn't relative to who you fight against, it's absolute, and that's what makes you good or bad, even if you happen to lose.
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By this logic, if I had an identical twin, and her nose was slightly crooked, she'd be ugly.
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uglier that the twin with uncrooked nose
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Let's say you have two good players. But when they play against each other player B always loses to player A. Then player B is a bad player by your definition since all he does is lose when playing player A, when they are actually a good player. Bam, proof by contradiction that you are wrong. inb4 "you can't prove something like that" Well then, all of mathematics would break apart and we wouldn't have any proofs left. It's a very basic form of proving something.
Good and bad are relative to the skill levels you are playing against. Players with the exact same skill level will have the same win/lose rate.
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