Activity Ranks?

[Slywyn]

I've heard that when the new point system goes live, these will have an effect on how many points you have. Where you'll get(I think the range was) 3-10 points depending on what your activity rank is or community rank. However, I've not been able to find any information on what these ranks are, how to get them, or how they'll really impact the new point system and such. So does anyone have any information to share with us? A mod or someone on staff, hopefully, as I'd like to get an accurate idea of what we'll be facing when the new system goes live.

[Faraj]

Bump. Does the molten staff mind answering this relevant question, instead of posting useless stuff on useless topics, like your favourite tanks?

[TheFeeler]

Probably still in development, i think is gonna be somethin like the Donating Rank, Currently im --------, and when u put your mouse Pointer at it, shows, probably same with the others.

[Slywyn]

Probably still in development, i think is gonna be somethin like the Donating Rank, Currently im --------, and when u put your mouse Pointer at it, shows, probably same with the others.

I remember reading in a thread where donation and activity rank will be separate.

[Obnoxious]

There's pretty much only one person I can think of that could answer that - Edifice.
He's the one who works with the web side of Warmane, and we generally either don't get detailed insider info about things like that before they are ready to be released (since it's not information we are required to have to do our work) or we get information but aren't allowed to disclose it.

If we don't answer "relevant questions" and instead "post useless stuff in useless topics," those are the general reasons.

[Aiovous]

There's pretty much only one person I can think of that could answer that - Edifice.
He's the one who works with the web side of Warmane, and we generally either don't get detailed insider info about things like that before they are ready to be released (since it's not information we are required to have to do our work) or we get information but aren't allowed to disclose it.

If we don't answer "relevant questions" and instead "post useless stuff in useless topics," those are the general reasons.

I was under the impression that the whole 'non-disclosure' system of handling information with secrecy between the moderation and the community was ment to end with the release of Warmane and return of Kaer? I'm not saying it's not better compared to the age of Herpes, but this thread for instance is a good example of where the communication aspect of things still fall short. Feel free to correct me with some sass if I'm wrong.

[Obnoxious]

I was under the impression that the whole 'non-disclosure' system of handling information with secrecy between the moderation and the community was ment to end with the release of Warmane and return of Kaer? I'm not saying it's not better compared to the age of Herpes, but this thread for instance is a good example of where the communication aspect of things still fall short. Feel free to correct me with some sass if I'm wrong.

There are cases and cases. Certain things require non-disclosure. It might be sensible information, it can be something that Developers or Administration wants and is testing, but don't want word spread, be it because it's meant to be a surprise or because we know all too well how the community reacts when we say something and later change our minds or decide on a better course of action.

What changed with Captain Kaer coming back to the ship's helm and was stated that there would be more communication. "More communication" in no way means that certain things wouldn't ever be kept under non-disclosure again, so assuming both are the same thing would be an error on your side. We have now Community Managers who are open to receive PMs with questions of that kind and to keep players informed, where possible.

Even if we assume that the topic of this thread is under non-closure, there would be nothing inherently wrong about wanting to only release information about it once the system is up and ready to go. General guidelines of how things should work have been given already.

[Aiovous]

There are cases and cases. Certain things require non-disclosure. It might be sensible information, it can be something that Developers or Administration wants and is testing, but don't want word spread, be it because it's meant to be a surprise or because we know all too well how the community reacts when we say something and later change our minds or decide on a better course of action.

What changed with Captain Kaer coming back to the ship's helm and was stated that there would be more communication. "More communication" in no way means that certain things wouldn't ever be kept under non-disclosure again, so assuming both are the same thing would be an error on your side. We have now Community Managers who are open to receive PMs with questions of that kind and to keep players informed, where possible.

Even if we assume that the topic of this thread is under non-closure, there would be nothing inherently wrong about wanting to only release information about it once the system is up and ready to go. General guidelines of how things should work have been given already.

Sure, I'll agree with that, especially the part about the community reacting to uncertain results. It's a valid reason to keep things silent until they are ready to be announced. Again I do think that the communication has been much better after said events, but things such as - well, since we're on the topic - Activity Ranks that have been a vague 'thing' ever since the release of Warmane and the new website design and there's still no real notion of what they're really about. After all, it's been, what, 9 months?

Other than that, I don't know... The devlog? I'm still playing on Cataclysm because for some reason I still enjoy it, and the fact that there have been little update with a promise of alot - specifically the older content - is understandable considering they intend to port alot of the scripts from Lordaeron to said realms. That part is absolutely fine, but reminding people what's going on with perhaps an extensive list of what will be available in the coming updates? Give people some motivation to stick around, some sense of eagerness rather than sitting around with question marks above their heads.

There are cases and cases, sure. Certain things require non-disclosure; absolutely. But I feel like alot of the major community related topics fall into the same pile as the more management related topics. Especially the topic this thread was made for; Acitivty Ranks. I do buy the argument that you don't want to disclose anything that might be changed before it's officially 'released', but after 9 months and a week before release I have a hard time believing that, atleast on this topic, there is a major amount of uncertainty hindering the management to disclose so teaser-information.

At this point it's only a week away, perhaps a tad bit late to disclose anything now rather than just wait for the actual release, but for future reference I think that the things that impact the community the most should be more advertised.

[Obnoxious]

Sure, I'll agree with that, especially the part about the community reacting to uncertain results. It's a valid reason to keep things silent until they are ready to be announced. Again I do think that the communication has been much better after said events, but things such as - well, since we're on the topic - Activity Ranks that have been a vague 'thing' ever since the release of Warmane and the new website design and there's still no real notion about what they're really about. After all, it's been, what, 9 months?

As I said, Edifice is the one who works on the web side of Warmane, by himself as far as I know. He has been working on the new Armory continuously for a while now, which is also an old thing we were owing you people. He has to do one thing at a time, though, quite understandably.

Other than that, I don't know... The devlog? I'm still playing on Cataclysm because for some reason I still enjoy it, and the fact that there have been little update with a promise of alot - specifically the older content - is understandable considering they intend to port alot of the scripts from Lordaeron to said realms. That part is absolutely fine, but reminding people what's going on with perhaps an extensive list of what will be available in the coming updates? Give people some motivation to stick around, some sense of eagerness rather than sitting around with question marks above their heads.

Well, look at Lordaeron. It isn't Cataclysm, but it has been said more than once that server is working on a new core that would make it possible to "export" content to other expansions with a reasonable amount of work instead of the pretty prohibitive hassle it would be before. The plan, from my understanding, is to eventually have that core be used on all of our servers, so "old content" can be transferred to the other expansions. That aside, once Lordaeron and the Wrath of the Lich King are dealt with, the focus won't be there anymore and development will increase on the other expansions again, maybe even with the same scheme of focused effort to get a whole expansion fixed.

There are cases and cases, sure. Certain things require non-disclosure; absolutely. But I feel like alot of the major community related topics fall into the same pile as the more management related topics. Especially the topic this thread was made for; Acitivty Ranks. I do buy the argument that you don't want to disclose anything that might be changed before it's officially 'released', but after 9 months and a week before release I have a hard time believing that, atleast on this topic, there is a major amount of uncertainty hindering the management to disclose so teaser-information.

I mentioned another reason along with non-disclosure. You should consider that too.

[Aiovous]

As I said, Edifice is the one who works on the web side of Warmane, by himself as far as I know. He has been working on the new Armory continuously for a while now, which is also an old thing we were owing you people. He has to do one thing at a time, though, quite understandably.

Well, look at Lordaeron. It isn't Cataclysm, but it has been said more than once that server is working on a new core that would make it possible to "export" content to other expansions with a reasonable amount of work instead of the pretty prohibitive hassle it would be before. The plan, from my understanding, is to eventually have that core be used on all of our servers, so "old content" can be transferred to the other expansions. That aside, once Lordaeron and the Wrath of the Lich King are dealt with, the focus won't be there anymore and development will increase on the other expansions again, maybe even with the same scheme of focused effort to get a whole expansion fixed.

I mentioned another reason along with non-disclosure. You should consider that too.

If I were to make a further case I'd just be pulling things out of my ***. I suppose the truth is that the actual progress and development of Lordaeron has taken up more manpower than me as a part of the community understands. Things have been better, alot of better, and things currently being on hold is I'd imagine all circumstancial and that things will speed up once Lordaeron is 'complete', as you said.

If anything, regarding Edifice and the website; the armory is goddamn amazing. I remember making a suggestion when the new design was spoken about months ago about a dynamic character window with transmog and Marketplace item intergration and so on. So far I am thoroughly impressed. The fact that it's supposedly only a preview of the full release is even more amazing.

So yeah, sure, you made your case. Taking your other reason for non-disclosure into consideration I am looking forward to being positively surprised with the coming features!

[Slywyn]

My only real 'issue', as it were, with Activity Ranks is that they're going to be pretty crucial with this new point system coming up. You start by getting 3(I believe), and based on your activity rank that can increase all the way to 10. With things supposedly costing much less(with gear costing like, 15 points instead of 80 points), that's kind of a -huge- deal.

I'd like to know how to increase the rank, especially since it's such a core part of this new system, so I can be getting the best amount of reward as quickly as I can. I just don't like feeling like I'm not getting what I can out of something. And if that requires being active on the forums or logging in every day or whatever, then I can certainly do that. But if Activity is tied to donations, or you have to go off and vote on other sites or something, then it might not be as good.

[Stellarcrusade]

It is perfectly reasonable for them not to release information while they still decide the final state. I do think perhaps community should be involved a little bit more on what final state should be in some cases. But really, people are worrying about this way too much. It's reasonable to just wait and see on this. After they made it clear we'd lose our points and nothing was going to change in shops until after that, the rest is really meaningless. I mean, who cares if you find out how the activity rank will be, that wont change how many points you will get, nor will it change your behavior towards getting said points. All it would do is give you an early chance to complain about the as-yet-un-implemented changes.

Ultimately its a minor issue. Who cares if you get 3 points per day or 10 as it seems by the indications they have given there wont be anything in the points shop worth earning points for anyhow. Just wait another week and see, speculation only pollutes the forums.

[kvreddy25]

But if Activity Rank or you have to go off and vote on other sites or something, then it might not be as good.

The voting system wont be there on warmane any more ..as said by kear long back in so many Threads .. max it will be ingame point system. Like now we have vote system. but it will be different.

So many MOD & Staff said this things in many threads .. Mercy said some where like we r concentrating on the players who play game on our server like some things in some thread .. i don't remember those words correctly .

[Obnoxious]

I'd like to know how to increase the rank, especially since it's such a core part of this new system, so I can be getting the best amount of reward as quickly as I can. I just don't like feeling like I'm not getting what I can out of something. And if that requires being active on the forums or logging in every day or whatever, then I can certainly do that. But if Activity is tied to donations, or you have to go off and vote on other sites or something, then it might not be as good.

That's a great reason to not release information beforehand. It isn't even out. Why do you assume we want players changing their habits to "get a head-start" when the system is up? I don't see the Administration wanting that kind of abuse.

[Farajsaied]

That's a great reason to not release information beforehand. It isn't even out. Why do you assume we want players changing their habits to "get a head-start" when the system is up? I don't see the Administration wanting that kind of abuse.

I dont think it's possible to get a head start If the system isn't even working yet.