Keep in mind, as soon as the server gets to TOC/ICC, the majority wont go to Naxxramas/Ulduar anymore. For those which will, i think it would be fair to let it remain blizzlike, as this is described as a blizzlike realm (that´s the reason why so many people from Retail are joining Warmane for the first time now).
Making it harder just because a few people want a better challenge for 1-2 months isnt worth getting described as a custom server on various internet forums and reddit posts. As soon as the progress goes on, noone will care about it, but the things which has been said and done will remain on the internet.
Just keep it blizzlike and you cant do it wrong.
View Poll Results: Should the difficulty of Naxx be increased?
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No, leave it as it was in WotLK
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Yes, increase the damage and HP of the bosses
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Yes, add mechanics of old Naxx to the WotLK version
217 46.77%
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IMO they should implement an attunement system meaning you cant enter ulduar without clearing naxx etc.. If youre going to the extreme and considering buffing naxx then why not go all the way and implement attunements as well. This would also help guilds in a way too. People in guilds would care more since they would have to stick with the guild if they wanted to progress on the server and this would prevent them from jumping from guild to guild
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Don´t get me wrong, but why would you want to do that?
That means if one of my people leaves, i will have to "carry" someone through all of the content, just so he can start raiding with us?
It would not stop people jumping from guild to guild, it would just stop new people/characters getting into a good guild.
The reason people are jumping from guild to guild is wrong expectations, or bad leadership. But in both cases the player and the guild dont get far, and they have to change in order to be succesful. You cant influence that.
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Ulduar would be always popular because of Valanyr(which is best healer weapon) and mounts from Yog and achievements. While in Naxx is nothing to do after Ulduar release...
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That´s why i said "majority" - only a few people will visit those raids for achievments/mounts/Valanyr, the majority will go hunt their gear in better raids/dungeons.
But it would be nonsense to change it from blizzlike to something custom for the sake of a lil bit more challenge.
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A few people? ..You're ignoring facts, look at the poll.. the percentages for "blizzlike WotLK" naxx are only dropping the more time goes over it.. There's no challenge in it and the PvE competition for this tier will be just like Warmane's MoP, the first group going in has the "warmane first X boss down".
This argument is laughable..
Let's take Blizzard, since you like to refer to them; Why bother making ICC hard.... In a few months Cataclysm is launched and noon will care about ICC, same goes for every single tier. If we'd folow your argument there's no point in making anything hard at all, since in a few months the new raid X is launched anyway.
Just deal with the fact it might be harder, think about others who might want to enjoy a real challenge for once, it's unbelievable how many egocentric players are on Warmane. If you want your gear so badly, get some patience, donate or move to deathwing/Ragnaros .. problem solved.
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It's not something custom per se. It's simply using old mechanics instead of new ones.
No mechanics would be "made up" to be custom.
And really, drop the "not Blizz-like" argument. Like I said already, the fact no one pays a monthly fee already makes us "not Blizz-like all the way."
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Accusing me of wanting an easy raid because of gear is like insulting me. I guess you took a look at my guild presentation at some point, i am here for the progress just like you seem to be, but im sceptic about this Naxxramas changes.
It might turn out to be the best thing ever, but it can also go a bad way. There is still a lot of things which havent been added to the game at 3.0.0 and i didnt see any discussion or announcment regarding that, which i think has priority over changing a raid.
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I really dislike your attitude that the past raids do not matter anymore if they are released? Naxx and Ulduar will still be popular to do since you will need that gear to do TOC... Since RDF won't exist and dungeons will offer the emblem system (were it does not give all the gear you'd want) you will do those previous raids for gear.
As mentioned before the legendary mace, achievements, Yog mount and what not will make Ulduar really attractive even if it's the next tier of raiding (TOC). Besides we can't even be sure that it's that many who are joining from Retail to Warmane if they have not said it themselves. Not sure if Naxx will still be attractive but nonetheless it still will be people doing Naxx. I also hope that Ulduar will be the pre nerfed version so it will be a REAL challange to do.
Also that the vote to buff Naxx is showing that most of the community members (who have voted so far) want's a harder version of Naxx cause it was piss easy in retail and you simply have to deal with it. Even if you yell ''Blizzlike'' you can't use that argument on a server or even a private server to begin with when the idea of Lord is not to be ''100% blizz like or blizz clone'' so these changes are possible if they want to make it.Edited: August 31, 2015
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Feels like some people are spending their whole day posting on those important threads, so i guess it doesnt matter what i say, youll just outyell me like donald trump does :P
Not yelling blizzlike, but if its supposed to be a blizzlike realm, do it blizzlike. If not, and you want to respect what the realm wants, lets make a poll about transmog for example.
I dont even care for whatever happens, as im just gonna get through it no matter how its gonna be, but i cant see the logic behind this thing. (I dont mean your guys point of view, but the point of view of the staff in general regarding the realm).
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It's a new paragraph, aimed for the general public ... don't take it personal lol
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Not taking it personal, just saying that im here for the challenge and progress as well and such statements hurt my feelings brah :(
#No hard feelings
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I don't know where you got that impression of me from but i'm just saying my opinion and responding with criticism... You choice to take it that way and that's sad to see. I can multitask which i think you can do also so i don't spend my entire time on the forums but i do have the browser open to see if anything new is posted. Well you are since that's your main argument so your denying yourself. Perhaps 10 people have mentioned transmog so that's not really a MAJORITY of the people compare to who wants to have a buffed Naxx or a faceroll Naxx. A big difference between cosmetics and raiding in my opinion. The simple logic is that we want a harder raid and the mechanics are not ''custom'' so we simply ''request'' to have the raid harder (Naxx that is). Same thing (as i asked myself) if they will have pre nerfed or nerfed Ulduar which i hope will be the pre nerfed version.
Edited: August 31, 2015
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See, i would love a whole new expansion like Wotlk - with new mechanics and ****, because it would be way harder than raiding things we already know. But i cant get that, so i arrived here because i was told and thought this is gonna be a blizzlike realm. I dont even care if its gonna be made harder, but what i dont understand is the will to change a raid, but instant rejection of other ideas because they are not blizzlike. This matter got a poll, but i dont see any other polls for other things, thats why i am sceptic. I put a lot of hope in this new realm, and im just concerned over some things, because there seems to be no LOGIC behind it. (might be wrong, but thats my point of view)
I know there is no way to have a "good" discussion regarding such things, but as i stated before, i dont see a clear line in all those decisions. Each staff member is stating different things about various things, and in the end you dont know what you are waiting for and what is gonna happen.
Im making a mistake by even joining this discussion thread, im way to old to loose time on things which i cant influence, but im hoping to find out more about how the staff is thinking about this realm.
You have read most of their posts for sure, so you will understand what i mean. (Or not, but i guess you are reasonable)
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Meh i just heard hardcore realm and i was hooked :) I didn't think much of the blizzlike term, only cared about the upped difficulty. Well transmog was from cata so it would be custom and not blizzlike but the Naxx thing isn't actually well it was gonna be on the wrath naxx to begin with so why not implement them to make it harder? Well that's because no one really cares about the ''other options'' otherwise they would have a poll or a official statement (which most matters have had). I see a lot of logic in it but we have split opinons :) Not sure where you got the different things by different staff members but i guess you mean like a comment about legendaries or other information that isn't apart of the main thread. Heh you are not that old to be honest.... That's just a expression :D Of course i read most of it but i have bad memory knowing exactly what was said so i have to look back :)
