Unfair towards future DK players:

**Radvo** · September 18, 2015

So what? What's so important about Vanilla/TBC? This will be a Wotlk server, the 2 months delay is for the devs to finish polishing some details and for the players to level up.

Again the same wrong statement. Who told you people this ?

We play through Vanilla and TBC because that's how the realm was intended to be played, not to delay, not for time, not for anything else. Just because Kaer wanted it to be so.

**Kelthuzzad** · September 18, 2015

Originally Posted by Vicente810

So what? What's so important about Vanilla/TBC? This will be a Wotlk server, the 2 months delay is for the devs to finish polishing some details and for the players to level up. The "progression" part is for Wotlk content.

Still it needs to be balanced and players should have a nice experience without DKS running all over the place! :D

**Vicente810** · September 18, 2015

Originally Posted by Oldozz

you are just whining about this so you can have the dam core ported over to Ragnaros and Deathwing. be patient DAMIT

Not really, that wouldn't change the time. However i want the best for Warmane with all x1, x7, instant realms available for the greatest amount of players and testes and i can understand why players that main a DK will be upset about this as they will have a very low chance of getting their realm first or just joining the vanguard of players in Northred. I still think that releasing them with Outland will be good. Or even just some weeks before Northred, like 1,5 months after release.

**Oldozz** · September 18, 2015

Originally Posted by Vicente810

Not really, that wouldn't change the time. However i want the best for Warmane with all x1, x7, instant realms available for the greatest amount of players and testes and i can understand why players that main a DK will be upset about this as they will have a very low chance of getting their realm first or just joining the vanguard of players in Northred. I still think that releasing them with Outland will be good.

on a blizzlike server DKs should not be able to get realm first. and again idc about the other realms and i bet no one else here does.

**Kelthuzzad** · September 18, 2015

Originally Posted by Vicente810

Not really, that wouldn't change the time. However i want the best for Warmane with all x1, x7, instant realms available for the greatest amount of players and testes and i can understand why players that main a DK will be upset about this as they will have a very low chance of getting their realm first or just joining the vanguard of players in Northred. I still think that releasing them with Outland will be good.

Uh did you even read the thread? It's simply way too many bad consequences then positive ones! Also that's not how it works... Can't have DKS in TBC!

**Michiel1234** · September 18, 2015

Uhm ...DK's on retail didnt have a chance to be realm first on Classic & TBC achievs and they had a bit more work to go trough during wotlk...so yeah...

**Lynea** · September 18, 2015

Originally Posted by Vicente810

So what? What's so important about Vanilla/TBC? This will be a Wotlk server, the 2 months delay is for the devs to finish polishing some details and for the players to level up. The "progression" part is for Wotlk content.

"So what? Who cares about balance and being blizz-like. Stfu and give me what I want! **** what the staff says too!"

Pretty much what I got out of this post.

Originally Posted by Kelthuzzad

Uh did you even read the thread? It's simply way too many bad consequences then positive ones! Also that's not how it works... Can't have DKS in TBC!

Literally the only plus side is that impatient people get to play on their DKs and facerollstomp people into the ground.

**Oldozz** · September 18, 2015

how about we open a RDF thread again.

**Kelthuzzad** · September 18, 2015

Originally Posted by Lynea

"So what? Who cares about balance and being blizz-like. Stfu and give me what I want! **** what the staff says too!"

Pretty much what I got out of this post.

Literally the only plus side is that impatient people get to play on their DKs and facerollstomp people into the ground.

Haha yeah pretty much the only positive! XD

**Mindkontrol** · September 18, 2015

This just seems a bit QQ.

You want DK's during a time that DK's didn't exist.

The server will be 60 cap, then 70 cap before DK release to emulate Pre-BC and BC.

But you want DK right from the start.

I like the choice they've made.

**kokaze** · September 18, 2015

There are no tier sets for DK's in vanilla and bc raids nor there are any pre 80 PvP sets or gear specifically made for DK's, so after the initial dungeon runs DK's will hit a brick wall gear-wise for the rest if vanilla/bc phase (for how long it may last).

So, in actuality, not only that death knights will NOT be OP, they are going to be severely gimped by the lack of gear for them, while the rest of the server will run around with BWL/AQ and Warlords gear during vanilla and SWP/brutal gladiator during BC, DK' will be stuck with heroic dungeon blues, maybe some MC/Karazan off-sets if they get lucky, untill Northrend get released.

IMHO making death knights available before wrath content is released is stupid and pointless, not only is it not blizzlike, they will literally not be able to progress beyond UBRS/Kara. If the only reason you want them so you could be competitive for realm first, to that I say to you, isn't that unfair for the new players who will start at lvl 1 when wrath launches?

You do realize not everyone was 70 when WotLK launched back in retail? By your logic I could easily demand that every new player starts with a free lvl80 with pre-raid BiS, for otherwise it being unfair to the new players, why should they start at lvl 1 when everyone else already has epics, isn't that unfair?

**Esreverrr** · September 18, 2015

There's a lot of qq in this thread, T1LL.

Here's a point. Before WotLK came out, you had patch 3.0 during TBC content. Death Knights were not available to play, even though wrath content was "out", though unavailable. Once wrath was released, those who wanted to play DKs started at 55 while there were already plenty of characters being ahead of their leveling curve starting at 70.

How in the **** are you trying to argue that DKs should be allowed from the start of the server when it wasn't even that way in retail?

**McSweetfeet** · September 18, 2015

Idk how using the 3.3.5 core but then releasing only parts at a time works, but would Dks even be able to get any set pieces or pvp gear at all with a server like this? As far as it seems to me the release would severely hamper the class as they would not be able to use any class-specific end-game gear at 60/70....

**Esreverrr** · September 19, 2015

Originally Posted by McSweetfeet

Idk how using the 3.3.5 core but then releasing only parts at a time works, but would Dks even be able to get any set pieces or pvp gear at all with a server like this? As far as it seems to me the release would severely hamper the class as they would not be able to use any class-specific end-game gear at 60/70....

You are correct. No PvP gear sets or PvE tier sets were available for DKs until WotLK's 80 level gear.

**Obiee** · September 19, 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEumYNXhO78

Yea dks are unbeatable right? (the paladin is in full pvp / pve gear which will be obtainable on the server when raiding/pvp)

You were saying they wil have advantage in PVP? no... this is not 3.1(were dks was domanating the 51-60 AVs and the other bgs)...

And if you dont like it dont pvp?.

Also you can outgear the dks simply by raiding (they can only get small offpiece upgrades and weapons) but u can get tier sets

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