Multiboxing on Lordaeron | Yes or no?

[Ragelash]

[QUOTE=Pallzdani;2539455]1. OMG DON't YOU GET IT! *Deep breath*. They are donating on the other realms, not on Lord! So multiboxing ON LORD is not funding Warmane one bit.
2. This isn't the future though...and I REALLY doubt any Mboxer will want to full donate all there toons (even donate for one piece on each toon) when the prices for one item are going to be heavily more costly than on the other realms.
3. You can, but you have to find the players first, a Mboxer doesn't have to go find anyone... Also if I see a Mboxer looking at me whilst we are levelling, I highly doubt he will let me quickly ask around for an even amount of players to compete him, no he will just get all toons to cast LB, Frostbolt w/e class and abilty and one shot my ***.
4. If you don't want to level up 25 chars one by one then that's your problem, not ours /shrug.

1.no its you that doesn't get it they donate on warmane to fund the whole realms is that clear enough for you?/sigh

2.Ofc they will thats what we said in 2010 complaining that the cost for items are too mcuh and yet you see many of the players with SM and HC gears,what makes you think that they won't?nobody knows that except the player himself.

3.So go find them and kill them if you hate multiboxers so much,who would let you ask around for your friends to kill him or her no one will ,even a non boxer will charge right in to you if your the opposing faction.

4.Thats what i thought all you think about is yourself they multibox to have fun and it mgiht get ruined


say for example you're a pvp player how would you react if they disable arenas???its the same thing for them why can't you understand.

[Pallzdani]

1.no its you that doesn't get it they donate on warmane to fund the whole realms is that clear enough for you?/sigh

2.Ofc they will thats what we said in 2010 complaining that the cost for items are too mcuh and yet you see many of the players with SM and HC gears,what makes you think that they won't?nobody knows that except the player himself.

3.So go find them and kill them if you hate multiboxers so much,who would let you ask around for your friends to kill him or her no one will ,even a non boxer will charge right in to you if your the opposing faction.

4.Thats what i thought all you think about is yourself they multibox to have fun and it mgiht get ruined


say for example you're a pvp player how would you react if they disable arenas???its the same thing for them why can't you understand.

I'm sorry but if you are a Multi-boxer, all those people saying it's a hard thing to do are obviously liars. Let me take one last shot at explaining the first point:
Right now, you can not buy anything for your Lordaeron toon. So donations made by multiboxer's right now won't have anything to do with their affiliation with Lord. it will be for there toon's on one of the realms you can buy something/max level. So yes, the Multiboxers are supporting Warmane financially, but that is because of the ability to gear/level their toons with money that the other realms offer. if you still fail to see the logic then our discussion is done.

Now for the rest:
2. Trust me, by looking at the planned prices for one piece of gear, I can tell it would take an entire 6+ months of a good salary to buy one BiS toon. No one with a life and bills and value of money will pay that much.

3.See the thing is, if an opposing SINGLE player attacked me, I will fight happily, if I lost and we was equal level then I would think 'gg he is better than me'. If I ended up against 2+ people that are individual players I would be able to flee. Why? Because they won't all attack at once, naturally they would delay their attacks (not noticing me until I get pointed out) giving me enough time to run back to my guards of the nearest quest hub. if it was a multi-boxer, the minute i'm seen I will have multiples of the same spell coming towards me, I can tank 1-3 of those but more? I'm dead before I even realize what happened, because as it's one person, there is no delay and no need to communicate.

4. You can have fun playing the game the way it was made. Not by ruining everyone else's experience.

I am a PvP'er and that was the dumbest example ever, why? Because Arena's is fair, balanced (well 3v3 anyway) and comes down to skill, teamwork and er...oh yea was actually a thing Blizz added to the game.

[Garamir]

I've seen a lot of comments about Blizz vs here and pve vs pvp, etc. I haven't really seen anyone touch on this particular realm though and how it would effect it. Remember that the Warmane team has a very specific vision for what they want this realm to be. There was a reason that RDF was removed. Also why voting points were pulled and donor rewards were limited. They wanted people to actually do the leg work and build a group and go to that dungeon and have a real experience rather than just sit in town waiting for que. They want people to actually go out and do the quests and search for those things they want to complete their collection or get an achievement.

IMO with this particular realm, MBing can hurt the economy and progression. A MBer can have an easier time getting geared up because they don't have to struggle with who else in the group needs all of the loot. All of the loot is essentially going to one person. They can have it all and sell off the rest. Overtime they could amass wealth by exploiting the fact that there is no one in their group that is also needs the loot. They can fill their packs on each toon and sell off the junk and put a lot of extra gold into the economy. Plus they could potentially put a lot more into the AH and jack up the prices.

Also, if they were to camp an area for a while and kill all of the spawns that others need to complete quests, that can affect player progression. For example, a MBer could sit in Forest's Edge beating on Hogger and his gnolls and deprive others of the chance to complete 2 of their quests there. Someone might say, "go do other quests in a different area" and you would be right for the short term but with 1x rates you almost have to hit every quest in each zone to level enough to be effective in the next zone. Also, what if that other spot you go to happens to have another MB or just just too crowded to function because everybody else ran into the same issue and did the same thing.

Finally, I think multiboxing kind of thumbs its nose at the idea behind this game. This game is meant to be multiplayer, with people coming together and working together for mutual benefit. It relys on social concepts as well as game play to move the game along. They don't have to worry about who is going to roll Need on an item they want because they are the whole party. They don't worry about making a guild and deciding who is going to have what rank and the permission levels behind each rank. They don't have to worry about who might rip off the guild vault because they are the entire guild. Creating a guild is just another way to maximize their storage space and become more profitable. They don't have to cooperate with anyone else but themselves. They defeated half of the intended purpose of this game and made it more like Skyrim (using multiple companions).

In closing, I think multiboxers are bad for Lordaeron because they don't fit with the ideas behind this realm. They can play on Warmane's other realms if they still want to MB.

[Aleastraszabcde]

IMO with this particular realm, MBing can hurt the economy and progression. A MBer can have an easier time getting geared up because they don't have to struggle with who else in the group needs all of the loot. All of the loot is essentially going to one person. They can have it all and sell off the rest. Overtime they could amass wealth by exploiting the fact that there is no one in their group that is also needs the loot. They can fill their packs on each toon and sell off the junk and put a lot of extra gold into the economy. Plus they could potentially put a lot more into the AH and jack up the prices.

I wish gearing up as multiboxer really worked like that but it doesn't. We multiboxers often play several of the same classes. So let's say i do a dungeon solo with my 5 shamans. If the boss drops a spell damage mace that i want i will have to do kill that boss x5 and have it drop 5x because all my characters need the same type of loot.
I will have tons unequippable BoP loot each time because i can only equip shaman gear, making gearing up harder.

[Peregrine]

Dont think economy is the problem seriously,like no way.I played across all wotlk and cata realms.Economy is the problem of transfers and high rates,not multiboxing.What a multiboxer can do,so can a normal player just bit faster,tho to do it fater you gotta invest alot of time as well.
Beside 5 man cant do 10 man and "gear up" faster.No sir.

Progression?In what common sense can 10-20 people hinder progression of realm ?Funniest thing i heard,anybody can camp people and "hogger".And alliance will sit idly while 5 man rapes hogger,100 people in sec eats a MBer.lOL.

Both arguments are not valid to MBs,but in general idea of the game.

And anybody can do that what you described.Hint at "shini from deathwing"no multiboxer,but he had 100 milions worth of items n gold?You still sure bout mbxer ruining the economcy=?.

LMao

GENERAL consesus behind MB is to overcome things that takes 10 people to do it,but yourself.Pve and pvp,And its 100x harder.That was MB is,and to have fun as well.

[Ragelash]

I'm sorry but if you are a Multi-boxer, all those people saying it's a hard thing to do are obviously liars. Let me take one last shot at explaining the first point:
Right now, you can not buy anything for your Lordaeron toon. So donations made by multiboxer's right now won't have anything to do with their affiliation with Lord. it will be for there toon's on one of the realms you can buy something/max level. So yes, the Multiboxers are supporting Warmane financially, but that is because of the ability to gear/level their toons with money that the other realms offer. if you still fail to see the logic then our discussion is done.

Now for the rest:
2. Trust me, by looking at the planned prices for one piece of gear, I can tell it would take an entire 6+ months of a good salary to buy one BiS toon. No one with a life and bills and value of money will pay that much.

3.See the thing is, if an opposing SINGLE player attacked me, I will fight happily, if I lost and we was equal level then I would think 'gg he is better than me'. If I ended up against 2+ people that are individual players I would be able to flee. Why? Because they won't all attack at once, naturally they would delay their attacks (not noticing me until I get pointed out) giving me enough time to run back to my guards of the nearest quest hub. if it was a multi-boxer, the minute i'm seen I will have multiples of the same spell coming towards me, I can tank 1-3 of those but more? I'm dead before I even realize what happened, because as it's one person, there is no delay and no need to communicate.

4. You can have fun playing the game the way it was made. Not by ruining everyone else's experience.

I am a PvP'er and that was the dumbest example ever, why? Because Arena's is fair, balanced (well 3v3 anyway) and comes down to skill, teamwork and er...oh yea was actually a thing Blizz added to the game.

so how are they not funding the realm?donations being made is used for the said realm,your assuming that one have to spend coins,they can wait for the markeplace and spend their coins when it came up,so yes they are funding it even if its for their toons on other realms,where do you think the money came from if not donation by boxers or non boxers?and no im not a multiboxer and if you think multiboxing is easy try it.

where exactly have you see the PLANNED PRICE is ti around 150coins for 1 gear???

So what about it??its the same as being ganked by a party while leveling whats the difference you'll end up dead either way,so what your saying is that YOU HATE being killed by a group of players is that it ???

WHY do they always say RUINING OTHER'S EXPERIENCE ok then every lvl80 players who killed me while leveling is ruining my experience and every AFK player in bgs and every world pvp,if multiboxing is possible isnt it the way the game is made if its not then IWT or CLICK TO MOVE won't be there.

NO,you fail to understand the point its not a dumb example at all

[Aleastraszabcde]

I can tell it would take an entire 6+ months of a good salary to buy one BiS toon. No one with a life and bills and value of money will pay that much.

3. If I ended up against 2+ people that are individual players I would be able to flee. Why? Because they won't all attack at once, naturally they would delay their attacks (not noticing me until I get pointed out) giving me enough time to run back to my guards of the nearest quest hub.

You're making up so much crazy assumptions it's not really worth it to refute your claims.

Why don't you go enjoy the game instead of hanging in this thread claiming that multiboxers are the devil?

[Peregrine]

People also forget that there is immensive players playing on Lordaeron.6000 people,and without any donations (Atm) as Kaer stated their wealth or funds are being drained by Lordaeron.Obviously it cannot run on dry air.
150 coins per 1 item is ludacris,and they are aware that more then 35-40 coins per item will be immensivly expensive and alot of less people will donate,its meant as harder and tier 1 below but not impossible.
While it is hardcore realm you have to be aware 6000 people are using alot of resoruces (bandwith) and in general everything costs alot of money.Do not forget that fact that Lordaeron cannot run on dry air,neither any of such things can (in this case money).

[TMVN]

multi boxers that want to do any type of pve or pvp have other 2 wotlk realms and those are far easier to level up which save them a lot of time and they can do tons of stuff there. On Lordaeron it shouldn't be allowed at all, so the great part of community that is against multiboxing in all realms would have at least 1 that please them

[Garamir]

I wish gearing up as multiboxer really worked like that but it doesn't. We multiboxers often play several of the same classes. So let's say i do a dungeon solo with my 5 shamans. If the boss drops a spell damage mace that i want i will have to do kill that boss x5 and have it drop 5x because all my characters need the same type of loot.
I will have tons of BoP loot each time because i can only equip shaman gear, making gearing up harder.

But you also don't have to compete with other people in your group for that piece when you do get the drop. Also, you get to sell off the rest and make money which you could use to trade for what you need. Since your gold isn't divided up between 5 actual people, but rather your 5 toons, you can put all of your money on one guy and make trades.

[Aleastraszabcde]

Won't you guys miss the Epic Umbrella Parties in Ogrimmar? :D

[Pallzdani]

so how are they not funding the realm?donations being made is used for the said realm,your assuming that one have to spend coins,they can wait for the markeplace and spend their coins when it came up,so yes they are funding it even if its for their toons on other realms,where do you think the money came from if not donation by boxers or non boxers?and no im not a multiboxer and if you think multiboxing is easy try it.

where exactly have you see the PLANNED PRICE is ti around 150coins for 1 gear???

So what about it??its the same as being ganked by a party while leveling whats the difference you'll end up dead either way,so what your saying is that YOU HATE being killed by a group of players is that it ???

WHY do they always say RUINING OTHER'S EXPERIENCE ok then every lvl80 players who killed me while leveling is ruining my experience and every AFK player in bgs and every world pvp,if multiboxing is possible isnt it the way the game is made if its not then IWT or CLICK TO MOVE won't be there.

NO,you fail to understand the point its not a dumb example at all

Finally you clicked on! Proud of you^.^ But okay, in several months time when we can buy **** I want you (or any mboxer) to come to me with at least 2 items on one toon only. :)

No what I'm saying is, a group of individual people have different thought process, didn't reaction times and different awareness. By the time a group of 5 people all noticed I was there, targetted me and hit a spell keybind, I would already be gone, maybe getting hit by 1 or 2 spells, but like I said I can tank that damage. But 5 toons from one person alone, same thought process, same reaction time and same awareness. He will see me and immediately all 5 toons will attack with a spell at the same time. I can't tank 5 attacks. So I would escape, easily.

Yes, and bg afker's can be reported. Want us to report all you Mboxers if we will follow that logic? Gankers killing you whilst you are leveling, though I don't agree with it, fits the game. You have two factions at war, of course they will kill each other, but 1 Hero running around with 4 other heroes idling following him isn't. And glad you brought that up, didn't blizzard add something in MoP (I can't remember what it was exactly) to make it 100 times harder for people to Multibox in instanced events e.g BG's, Arena's, Dungeons. Also, Click-to-move is a style of play from games like WC1-3 and LoL etc. So it was there to cater for those people not wanting to make the switch from C2M to WASD, not to allow multiboxers.

it is a dumb example, Arena was added by blizz themselves, saying that is like saying 'How would you react to removing Raids'...well 99% of the players would just play a new game...lol.

[Garamir]

Progression?In what common sense can 10-20 people hinder progression of realm ?Funniest thing i heard,anybody can camp people and "hogger".And alliance will sit idly while 5 man rapes hogger,100 people in sec eats a MBer.lOL.

And what if an Ally camps that location. Allies can't kill Allies. And I'm not saying that a MBer can single handedly undermine progression of the server as a whole. But they could stifle the progression of enough players to matter. With other players camping an area at least you stand a chance of getting a party together and finishing the quests. But if a multiboxer is there, you have no chance of partying with them and completing your quests.

[Aleastraszabcde]

We do no harm. :D


(screenshot is from cata tho but still)

[mastainfasta]