Multiboxing on Lordaeron | Yes or no?

[Pallzdani]

According to u everything in life is easy because its always a matter of learning.

U fail to understand that when something requires more time to learn then its considered harder than a other thing that requires less time to learn.
For example, learning to drive a Bobby car requires less time than learning to drive a car so driving a car is considered "harder".
With ur logic driving a car is equally hard than driving a bobby car because the time that u need to spend to learn it doesnt matter.

No, length of time to learn something does not always influence how hard it is to learn something. Everything in life is easy once you've learnt it, a certain thing could be hard to learn, but your not going to put it into practice until you've learnt it. Example, I recently got my full license a few months ago, **** that was hard to learn, I hated it. But now I've learnt it driving is second nature to me.

We are going way off topic now, so yea...

[Aleastraszabcde]

The fact remains that you're not playing multiple characters. You're playing a single character, and using external software to automate the replication of what you do to that one character to multiple others. The moment I proposed that then multiboxers take it into their own hands to control each character, no automation software involved, which would put them actually on par with normal players, it was instantly labeled ridiculous and unfair. That says a lot about the matter.

Automation is forbidden, any sort of automation is. A better word would be distribution of keypresses to multiple clients.

So, what types of software are NOT allowed?
Let's take from World of Warcraft's Terms of Use (other games generally use similar language), which says in relevant part that you may not...

2(a) use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the World of Warcraft experience;

2(c) use any unauthorized third-party software that intercepts, "mines", or otherwise collects information from or through the Game or the Service, including without limitation any software that reads areas of RAM used by the Game to store information about a character or the game environment; provided, however, that Blizzard may, at its sole and absolute discretion, allow the use of certain third party user interfaces;

and further that you acknowledge...

17(a) WHEN RUNNING, THE GAME MAY MONITOR YOUR COMPUTER'S RANDOM ACCESS MEMORY (RAM) AND/OR CPU PROCESSES FOR UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAMS RUNNING CONCURRENTLY WITH WORLD OF WARCRAFT. AN "UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM" AS USED HEREIN SHALL BE DEFINED AS ANY THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE THAT, WHEN USED SIMULTANEOUSLY OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE GAME, WOULD CONSTITUTE A VIOLATION OF SECTIONS 1, 2 OR 9. IN THE EVENT THAT THE GAME DETECTS AN UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM, BLIZZARD MAY (a) COMMUNICATE INFORMATION BACK TO BLIZZARD, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION THE ACCOUNT NAME, DETAILS ABOUT THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM DETECTED, AND THE TIME AND DATE THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM WAS DETECTED; AND/OR (b) EXERCISE ANY OR ALL OF ITS RIGHTS UNDER THIS AGREEMENT OR THE EULA, WITH OR WITHOUT PRIOR NOTICE TO THE USER.

That just says that Blizzard is using a method of detection (called Warden) to try to detect things that are against the rules. ISBoxer and Inner Space offer no protection from Warden or similar detection methods from other MMO publishers, because these products are not designed to break the rules and thus do not need any protection.

Blizzard has banned many players for breaking the rules, but has not banned a single player for using ISBoxer.

Stop accusing us of automation, it's a grotesque accusation.

[Obnoxious]

The fact Blizzard allows it doesn't makes it not be automation. It's called "opening an exception." Pay attention to what you're pasting - it repeatedly says use of unauthorized software as being forbidden, which just means the ones used in multiboxing are authorized by them, which in turn doesn't means it has to necessarily be authorized by others or in specific servers like Lordaeron if it's so decided.

Stop trying to defend your point with semantics, it's childish.

"automation

[aw-tuh-mey-shuh n]

noun 1. the technique, method, or system of operating or controlling a process by highly automatic means, as by electronic devices, reducing human intervention to a minimum."

Are you directly controlling each action of each character yourself, or are them being "controlled by a highly automatic mean (...) reducing human intervention to a minimum"?

[Stampelle123]

Automation is forbidden, any sort of automation is. A better word would be distribution of keypresses to multiple clients.

So, what types of software are NOT allowed?
Let's take from World of Warcraft's Terms of Use (other games generally use similar language), which says in relevant part that you may not...

2(a) use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the World of Warcraft experience;

2(c) use any unauthorized third-party software that intercepts, "mines", or otherwise collects information from or through the Game or the Service, including without limitation any software that reads areas of RAM used by the Game to store information about a character or the game environment; provided, however, that Blizzard may, at its sole and absolute discretion, allow the use of certain third party user interfaces;

and further that you acknowledge...

17(a) WHEN RUNNING, THE GAME MAY MONITOR YOUR COMPUTER'S RANDOM ACCESS MEMORY (RAM) AND/OR CPU PROCESSES FOR UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAMS RUNNING CONCURRENTLY WITH WORLD OF WARCRAFT. AN "UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM" AS USED HEREIN SHALL BE DEFINED AS ANY THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE THAT, WHEN USED SIMULTANEOUSLY OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE GAME, WOULD CONSTITUTE A VIOLATION OF SECTIONS 1, 2 OR 9. IN THE EVENT THAT THE GAME DETECTS AN UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM, BLIZZARD MAY (a) COMMUNICATE INFORMATION BACK TO BLIZZARD, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION THE ACCOUNT NAME, DETAILS ABOUT THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM DETECTED, AND THE TIME AND DATE THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM WAS DETECTED; AND/OR (b) EXERCISE ANY OR ALL OF ITS RIGHTS UNDER THIS AGREEMENT OR THE EULA, WITH OR WITHOUT PRIOR NOTICE TO THE USER.

That just says that Blizzard is using a method of detection (called Warden) to try to detect things that are against the rules. ISBoxer and Inner Space offer no protection from Warden or similar detection methods from other MMO publishers, because these products are not designed to break the rules and thus do not need any protection.

Blizzard has banned many players for breaking the rules, but has not banned a single player for using ISBoxer.

Stop accusing us of automation, it's a grotesque accusation.

This just mean that Blizzard classify you and your account with all the data of your third part software until they decide that one of those software is forbidden. Than they will monitor your account more strictly and eventually ban you.
As we recently have seen the biggest mass Ban Blizzard have ever made.


http://forum.warmane.com/showthread....s-or-no/page32

[Aleastraszabcde]

The fact Blizzard allows it doesn't makes it not be automation. It's called "opening an exception."

Stop trying to defend your point with semantics, it's childish.

"automation

[aw-tuh-mey-shuh n]

noun 1. the technique, method, or system of operating or controlling a process by highly automatic means, as by electronic devices, reducing human intervention to a minimum."

Are you directly controlling each action of each character yourself, or are them being "controlled by a highly automatic mean (...) reducing human intervention to a minimum"?

You need to get your terminology right.
If there was anything really automated about multiboxing then you could be happily be banning every multiboxer away as automation implies BOTTING.
Multiboxing is NOT botting.

I've got this from your link:
1.
having the capability of starting, operating, moving, etc., independently:
an automatic sprinkler system; an automatic car wash.
2.
Physiology. occurring independently of volition, as certain muscular actions; involuntary. -Does not apply here.
3.
done [b]unconsciously/b] or from force of habit; mechanical: -
an automatic application of the brakes.
4.
occurring spontaneously:
automatic enthusiasm.
5.
(of a firearm, pistol, etc.) utilizing the recoil or part of the force of the explosive to eject the spent cartridge shell, introduce a new cartridge, **** the arm, and fire it repeatedly.

1. My characters are not independent, they wait for me to tell them what to do.
2.Does not apply here.
3. Nothing is automaticly applied whatsoever unless i press the correct keys.
4.Does not apply here, characters are extremely passive. :-)
5.The keywords here are "fire it REPEATEDLY". My characters do one(1) action when i press a button and will then just stand there. Nothing even happens when i HOLD a button.

"reducing human intervention to a minimum"

If multiboxing is automation then you might as well call ingame macro's automation because it reduces human intervention to a minimum as well.
Multiboxing is distributing keys right after someone pressed a button, thats it.
If it really would be automatic then it would be BANNABLE.

[Anyone0]

Are you directly controlling each action of each character yourself, or are them being "controlled by a highly automatic mean (...) reducing human intervention to a minimum"?

Have you tried multiboxing? I would not call it "highly automatic". Each action still requires a key press. And when multiboxing there are more actions required to make sure the other characters are doing what they should. Like facing the right way, targetting the right character, doing actions specific to one or several characters in the group. It's not as simple as controlling 1 character and the others magically follow you and do exactly the same thing without any extra effort.

[Obnoxious]

I agree it should be bannable. But it's considered an "authorized automation" by Blizzard, which was mimicked on our servers, although Lordaeron is being considered an exception to that.

Everything else in your post is just more semantics and false parallels to try to justify the fact you can't do your multiboxing by your own means, but that it should be acceptable to use external software on this because you like it.

Have you tried multiboxing? I would not call it "highly automatic". Each action still requires a key press. And when multiboxing there are more actions required to make sure the other characters are doing what they should. Like facing the right way, targetting the right character, doing actions specific to one or several characters in the group. It's not as simple as controlling 1 character and the others magically follow you and do exactly the same thing without any extra effort.

Are you doing a key press for each individual character on each individual game window for each and every action? Unless the answer is "yes," go multibox like that with 10 characters and come back with some videos to show me how little automation is involved.

[Stampelle123]

Automation have many means. Not always mean a complete automation. Think about "Automatic arms" Like Beretta Pistol.
Beretta have a "Automation" Automatic movement/mechanism related to the human act of pressing the trigger.


http://forum.warmane.com/showthread....s-or-no/page32

[Arson]

Are you directly controlling each action of each character yourself, or are them being "controlled by a highly automatic mean (...) reducing human intervention to a minimum"?

When you use the third party program, its links all the clients as one, making the signal direct. Defining automation, means you are not doing anything, but the machine itself its doing all the work. All the clients are linked as one, making the connection direct. Example of automation : Sentinel Warden.

Spoiler: Show

ISBoxer does not provide any automation, autofire, botting, hacks or other cheating functionality. Top MMORPG publishers including Blizzard Entertainment, Trion Worlds, Sony Online Entertainment, CCP, Turbine, NCSoft and others all allow multiboxing with ISBoxer.

[Jakkre]

Are you doing a key press for each individual character on each individual game window for each and every action? Unless the answer is "yes," go multibox like that with 10 characters and come back with some videos to show me how little automation is involved.

Thats not automation/botting.
Its automation when no direct interaction from the player side is required to execute a ingame action.
When it comes to multiboxing this is not the case because the player has to press or release a key in order to execute a ingame action.
Multiboxing requires direct interaction from the player side so its not botting or automation in any way.

[Stampelle123]

When you use the third party program, its links all the clients as one, making the signal direct. Defining automation, means you are not doing anything, but the machine itself its doing all the work. All the clients are linked as one, making the connection direct. Example of automation : Sentinel Warden.

Spoiler: Show

ISBoxer does not provide any automation, autofire, botting, hacks or other cheating functionality. Top MMORPG publishers including Blizzard Entertainment, Trion Worlds, Sony Online Entertainment, CCP, Turbine, NCSoft and others all allow multiboxing with ISBoxer.

As I said, there as many levels of "Automation" in many different machines in the history of humanity. Not only Terminator have Automatic mechanisms involved.
And yes. Macro are a sort of automation and macros are not only tolerated by Blizz macros are also supported by Blizz.


http://forum.warmane.com/showthread....s-or-no/page32

[Obnoxious]

When you use the third party program, its links all the clients as one, making the signal direct. Defining automation, means you are not doing anything, but the machine itself its doing all the work. All the clients are linked as one, making the connection direct.

You can bring me this video where you do it all without any help from external software automatically replicating and transmitting orders to multiple clients too. If there's no automation, alt+tabbing a dozen times simply to move your characters from A to B should be trivial, yes?

[Stampelle123]

Guys, why no one has already made a software to control a lot of characters in all the servers of 20 different MMORPG Around the world all in the same time? Cmon! It will be no Automation involved! It will be legal!
And I'm sure you MBer will worship the first guy able to do something like that.


http://forum.warmane.com/showthread....s-or-no/page32

[Laura1467]

I think it should be stopped. It really Ruins the Game.

[Jakkre]

Guys, why no one has already made a software to control a lot of characters in all the servers of 20 different MMORPG Around the world all in the same time? Cmon! It will be no Automation involved! It will be legal!
And I'm sure you MBer will worship the first guy able to do something like that.

Yes it would be legal because no botting is involved. Finally somebody understood the definition of botting!