Wotlk Release on 12?????

[quachzepro]

GJ warmane thats a good decision, do not launch it in haste and do not care abt the crybabies just ignore them.

[matuzgo]

GJ warmane thats a good decision, do not launch it in haste and do not care abt the crybabies just ignore them.

haha enjoy playing wotlk without wotlk... braindead

[quachzepro]

haha enjoy playing wotlk without wotlk... braindead

Trashcan no one is talking to you. "braindead" Kappa, i am much more sensible than you to understand why they delayed it.

[Jakkre]

The community of Warsong is waiting since 4 months for the AT core.
The community of MoP is waiting since 2 months for patch 5.4.8.
Meanwhile the community of Lordaeron makes drama because Wotlk is postponed by 2 days.

Always thought Lordaeron is for the patient ppl that want quality content over rushed content.
Sadly it doesnt seem to be the case...

[Sjokomelkbeast]

The community of Warsong is waiting since 4 months for the AT core.
The community of MoP is waiting since 2 months for patch 5.4.8.
Meanwhile the community of Lordaeron makes drama because Wotlk is postponed by 2 days.

Always thought Lordaeron is for the patient ppl that want quality content over rushed content.
Sadly it doesnt seem to be the case...

Well they have written it before... the fixes they make on lordaeron will be transferd to the other servers (Can't find where I read it, but I have read it many times)
And the warsong playerbase compared to lordaerons... well I understand actually if warmane dont give a **** about the server.
But that they are so slow with MOP is actually a bit suprising to me too. Even tho I do not care that much for MOP myself.

But these guys got lives too. Lets be happy they try.

[Jakkre]

Well they have written it before... the fixes they make on lordaeron will be transferd to the other servers (Can't find where I read it, but I have read it many times)
And the warsong playerbase compared to lordaerons... well I understand actually if warmane dont give a **** about the server.
But that they are so slow with MOP is actually a bit suprising to me too. Even tho I do not care that much for MOP myself.

We all know that.
U dont get my point.
The goal of Lordaeron is to improve the overall quality of all realms by making everything as bug free as possible and then port the scripts over to the other realms.
The problem is that many ppl in the lordaeron community are impatient and constantly demand new content.
The result of this impatience in the community is that the Devs are forced to rush the content and leave broken or half working content behind and the overall quality suffers.
U can already see this happening. They leave BT and sunwell closed because there is too much demand for wotlk.
What do u think gonna happen when the first ppl cleared naxx? They want the higher tier raid as fast as possible.

[Aiovous]

For the people complaining about us complaining, claiming we're impatient and , let me clarify something: I've said multiple times that I would rather they postponed WotLK by another month if that is what it takes to get the content ready and up to speed of quality. I would rather they finished scripting the content of TBC before they released Northrend at all, because, and I quote:

The ultimate cause deciding Lordaeron's long-term population will be based on whether we manage to keep the first impression up as we progress to the end-game in classic, the Burning Crusade and Wrath of the Lich King, which will be very challenging but we're up to the task.

Naturally first days and weeks will be rough as people may encounter new end-game issues that staff hasn't been able to notice during internal tests, but how fast and how well we resolve those issues is what will be most important. Lordaeron's population must reflect what it deserves as a realm.

I am not upset about them postponing the launch by 2 days - I don't care. What does upset me is the manner in which Warmane does business. Every time there is a complication or misunderstanding due to a lack of communication they say "unforseen circumstances" and "take our ETA's with a grain of salt." You know what that sort of thinking leads to? A lack of trust for the management of this server. No matter what you say, if something goes wrong or not according to plans, you shrug it off by "we didn't promise anything, we said 'maybe'."

Obnoxious may now retaliate with one of his infamous remarks such as "you know, you are not entitled to anything, and we don't really care if you trust us or not." Although I understand your reasoning, it doesn't change the fact that you guys are terribly unreliable. There is simply no mutual respect between the staff and player base on this server other than the shallow and vague dictatorship that maintains appearances.

I don't expect a Utopian form of government on this private World of Warcraft server, but as I pointed out in my thread here (which got closed instantly due to it being "harmful to the server"), since the reform of Molten to Warmane there have been a large abundance of claims for 'change' and 'better communication between staff and players', but the behavior remains the same once the initial hype dies down, which frankly makes you full of ****.

Also, what the hell is this:

So... should we still comunicate with community or leave them in the darkness? Because, to share and receive sarcasm back has grown very displeasing.

Exactly what did you communicate? The frontpage announcement said at first "the estimated launch date for WotLK is set for the 10th of December" which was the changed to "Lordaeron Wrath of the Lich King launch will be released on December 10, 2015." which is no longer an estimate but a statement. Then, last night at 1AM ST you sneak in and edit that statement to the 12th rather than the 10th. Exactly what kind of communication is that?

Seriously considering not telling dates anymore. That's what the hell we are thinking.

This is probably the most unprofessional statement I have seen from a Mod on Molten.

[Brinley]

There will be tons of ppl for 1st quests and server will lag a lot, if not dc dc dc and dc
Either 10th, 11th, or 14th+ so you can work more peacefully. Releasing it at weekend I don't think it's a good idea, says me

[Obnoxious]

I am not upset about them postponing the launch by 2 days - I don't care. What does upset me is the manner in which Warmane does business. Every time there is a complication or misunderstanding due to a lack of communication they say "unforseen circumstances" and "take our ETA's with a grain of salt." You know what that sort of thinking leads to? A lack of trust for the management of this server. No matter what you say, if something goes wrong or not according to plans, you shrug it off by "we didn't promise anything, we said 'maybe'."

Obnoxious may now retaliate with one of his infamous remarks such as "you know, you are not entitled to anything, and we don't really care if you trust us or not." Although I understand your reasoning, it doesn't change the fact that you guys are terribly unreliable. There is simply no mutual respect between the staff and player base on this server other than the shallow and vague dictatorship that maintains appearances.

I don't expect a Utopian form of government on this private World of Warcraft server, but as I pointed out in my thread here (which got closed instantly due to it being "harmful to the server"), since the reform of Molten to Warmane there have been a large abundance of claims for 'change' and 'better communication between staff and players', but the behavior remains the same once the initial hype dies down, which frankly makes you full of ****.

The only infamous remark I'll leave is this: we're not responsible for educating you on the meaning of "estimated," much less if you develop a "lack of trust" based on you yourself creating down-to-the-millisecond expectations when we ourselves declare everything as "planned," "expected," "estimated" and other such terms that should make it blatant that they aren't necessarily final. Don't pick and choose dates out of their context as estimated and then complain we're "unreliable" when, go figure, the estimation was off from what happened.

I will agree that there is no mutual respect, from certain players. Why should people who come to our Forums disrespect us receive any respect beyond bare tolerance from us? For example, calling an Administrator "unprofessional" because you disliked her comment? I doubt what comes next will be a surprise to you.

[Palutena]

This is probably the most unprofessional statement I have seen from a Mod on Molten.

Oh I can go even further! Quoting Batman's movie here:

"Because that's the statement the community deserves, but not the one it needs..."

On a serious note: You complain when we don't give dates. You complain when we give and can't fulfill it. You just can't understand how it is not possible for us to state date X and deliver in day X, 100% of the time. This is an eternal complaint that last for years already. Also, of course we won't stop giving estimated dates. We just ask for you to expect postponings. That's all.

[dovlecel]

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, NEXT TIME DO THAT !!!

Seriously considering not telling dates anymore. That's what the hell we are thinking.

Seriously guys what ware you thinking? Cant you, the people that run Warmane learn from your own mistakes? Lets be honest, you, Warmane are never prepared for DDOS. When the server was announced to go live we had DDOS, when TBC was released we had DDOS, what are the chances to have DDOS on WoTLK?
Having an excitement build inside that the most expected WoTLK its available, in a weekend day, and not be able to play because 30 sec lag delay and tons of d/c due to DDOS, and not to mention server instability due to new content, will be a huge morale breaker.

Remove the damn date from website, release it in a unknown date, at an unspecified hour (preferable during night when server its at his lower peek).

[Obnoxious]

Seriously guys what ware you thinking? Cant you, the people that run Warmane learn from your own mistakes? Lets be honest, you, Warmane are never prepared for DDOS. When the server was announced to go live we had DDOS, when TBC was released we had DDOS, what are the chances to have DDOS on WoTLK?
Having an excitement build inside that the most expected WoTLK its available, in a weekend day, and not be able to play because 30 sec lag delay and tons of d/c due to DDOS, and not to mention server instability due to new content, will be a huge morale breaker.

Do you have any clue (any at all) about how a DDoS attack works to say we are "never prepared"?

[Brinley]

Do you have any clue (any at all) about how a DDoS attack works to say we are "never prepared"?

He prob missunderstood "prepared" with "expecting"

[dovlecel]

Do you have any clue (any at all) about how a DDoS attack works to say we are "never prepared"?

I'll admit, i don't, i do know that we had ddos on all releases. I do know that they are fustrating as hell.

[wedemboys]

i went to bed thinking, "yea, they'll stop commenting because there's no point giving the community more **** to throw at them."

lol.