Lordaeron to Normal

[urchboffy]

I still dont see the problem in letting people turn off pvp, they dont want to pvp against you, and they shouldent be forced too.
i mean, the only reason to have forced pvp is to embrace ganks on people that have no interest in that aspect of the game.
if your main goal with this game is to frustrate others i can see how that can be fun i guess..

[Skoobydoo]

Ah the dumb "the name of the game" argument...
Let me guess, Starcraft is about crafting stars then? Dead Island is about the funeral of an island? Final Fantasy ended in the first game since, you know, it was the final fantasy? And Batman: Arkhan Knight is about a blind furry in plate armor who flaps his leathery wings across the skies of Arkhan, swinging a two-hander?
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i dont see how is that dumb names most of the time represent the content or are connected with the story of the game.batman is the name of main char in the game so it make sense the game to be named batman not for example superman right?same for all other titles.following your logic i can go to KFC and ask them did they sell cars....

So, basically, you tried a PvE server and people didn't want to PvP you, so the only course of thinking (instead of, like, "well, maybe these people don't want to PvP after all) is "if I let them choose, they won't do what I want, so let's take away their option and cater only to what I want"? You know what that kind of thinking is alike to? The entitled spoiled 4 years old that throws a tantrum in the middle of a full mall because mommy won't buy him ice cream.

thats not what she said wtf.for herself normal server was boring because ( LOGIC ) people on normal server dont want to do Wpvp.so she moved to another PVP server.this can happen on retail because they had milion of subs and they can make 10 normal and 110 PVP server ther community is enough to support the few normal realms.we dont have this on warmane, the population is not that high and if they make normal realm called lorderon x2 for example it will be very low populated and peope who play there will most likely cry for transfer back to current lorderon.
on other hand if you make lorderon normal that will restrict the major part of realm population from doing what they want( even low level ganking yes).it will make 0 sense for warmane to make it normal.
btw the way i see in 4yo kid role,who cry because he dont get what he want are the people who want normal server and come to QQ about it at forum.

[sabinprosper1]

Wow, it's 2015 and people are still arguing the merits of a PvP vs Normal server...
I can only assume that everyone whining about Lordaeron being PvP, have never played on a PvP server prior to this one.

Realm is advertised as PvP, so you should know what you're getting into.
Yes, people will gank. They always have. Crying on the forums is just about the only thing that won't help you at all.
To suggest that the realm be changed to PvE is even more drastic and ridiculous.

I only ever attacked first on a few occasions and was killed by other players about 20-30 times throughout my whole path of leveling 1-70.
There were a few zones where I found myself involved in impromptu 3v3/5v5 WPvP battles with everyone being around the same level. These just kind of happened; groups formed because it made sense, nothing was planned.
It's been a blast so far for me, and many of my most memorable experiences while leveling probably wouldn't ever have occurred on a normal server.

There's nothing more satisfying than to get jumped while fighting a mob, only to turn it around on your attacker and show them who is boss.

[m4z4cr312]

Learn to behave on a PvP realm and you'll never have to cry again. I hope Warmane staff completely disregards this whine homo fest going on these threads as they are an absolute waste of time. If you don't like getting ganked, pay 15€ a month for that **** they call World of Warcraft on retail and you can have your life easy as retail is. Shut it now pls.

[Obnoxious]

i dont see how is that dumb names most of the time represent the content or are connected with the story of the game.batman is the name of main char it the game so it make sense the game to be named batman not for example superman right?same for all other titles.following your logic i can go to KFC and ask them did they sell cars....

How many stars have you crafted in Starcraft again?
Batman is a character? Then perhaps Warcraft is just a brand, not a description? Just like, you know, KFC doesn't serves ONLY chicken, nor ONLY fried chicken, much less ONLY friend chicken from Kentucky?

thats not what she said wtf.for herself normal server was boring because ( LOGIC ) people on normal server dont want to do Wpvp.so she moved to another PVP server.

When she is defending PvP servers and being against the people who would want a Normal one, yes, that's what she's saying. She isn't using that as an example for "I don't like it, so I wouldn't play there, but I support you people having a Normal server to do your thing."

btw the way i see in 4yo kid role,who cry because he dont get what he want are the people who want normal server and come to QQ about it at forum.

That's because you fail at the logic you like to mention. People are complaining because they are forced, without any choice (besides simply not playing, like I do, of course), into something they have no interest in. They have their fun be considered less important than the fun of the people who have fun at their expense. They don't want PvP to be forbidden, just to not be shoved into it against their will if that's something they don't enjoy, while you still can do your PvP as much as you like with other people who want the same.

[m4z4cr312]

How many stars have you crafted in Starcraft again?
Batman is a character? Then perhaps Warcraft is just a brand, not a description? Just like, you know, KFC doesn't serves ONLY chicken, nor ONLY fried chicken, much less ONLY friend chicken from Kentucky?



When she is defending PvP servers and being against the people who would want a Normal one, yes, that's what she's saying. She isn't using that as an example for "I don't like it, so I wouldn't play there, but I support you people having a Normal server to do your thing."



That's because you fail at the logic you like to mention. People are complaining because they are forced, without any choice (besides simply not playing, like I do, of course), into something they have no interest in. They have their fun be considered less important than the fun of the people who have fun at their expense. They don't want PvP to be forbidden, just to not be shoved into it against their will if that's something they don't enjoy, while you still can do your PvP as much as you like with other people who want the same.

Why would a mod write all this?

[sabinprosper1]

Why would a mod write all this?

It's not like he isn't a real person and can't have his own view on things.

That's because you fail at the logic you like to mention. People are complaining because they are forced, without any choice (besides simply not playing, like I do, of course), into something they have no interest in. They have their fun be considered less important than the fun of the people who have fun at their expense. They don't want PvP to be forbidden, just to not be shoved into it against their will if that's something they don't enjoy, while you still can do your PvP as much as you like with other people who want the same.

I see what you're getting at here, but my argument would be that changing the server to PvE would yield a much higher overall player satisfaction opportunity cost than just keeping it how it is right now.
There's a reason why high population PvP servers on retail still had plenty of big raiding guilds and PvE activity.
It's because the choice shouldn't really matter to hardcore raiders - you spend most of your time isolated in instances.

I'm fairly certain that most of the people calling for the change are just disillusioned lowbies who got camped by some asshat level 70 in Stranglethorn for 45 minutes.
Leveling is such a short part of the game, even on a x1 server like this. Your ganking woes should also be temporary - I care more about the gameplay at level cap than I do about your struggles with leveling.

If you are still getting killed all the time while at level cap just trying to do dailies or farm, then you are doing something wrong.
You must have ticked someone off or are just very unlucky if this keeps happening to you. I'd say 90% of the time when I encounter opposite faction at level cap, we just pretend like each other don't exist to avoid conflict/slowing questing down for both of us.

[Obnoxious]

Why would a mod write all this?

Because I can.

I see what you're getting at here, but my argument would be that changing the server to PvE would yield a much higher overall player satisfaction opportunity cost than just keeping it how it is right now.
There's a reason why high population PvP servers on retail still had plenty of big raiding guilds and PvE activity.
It's because the choice shouldn't really matter to hardcore raiders - you spend most of your time isolated in instances.

I'm fairly certain that most of the people calling for the change are just disillusioned lowbies who got camped by some asshat level 70 in Stranglethorn for 45 minutes.
Leveling is such a short part of the game, even on a x1 server like this. Your ganking woes should also be temporary - I care more about the gameplay at level cap than I do about your struggles with leveling.

If you are still getting killed all the time while at level cap just trying to do dailies or farm, then you are doing something wrong.
You must have ticked someone off or are just very unlucky if this keeps happening to you. I'd say 90% of the time when I encounter opposite faction at level cap, we just pretend like each other don't exist to avoid conflict/slowing questing down for both of us.

I'm not talking about Lordaeron specifically, just about the context of Normal vs. PvP servers. Lordaeron won't be changed to Normal, that's a fact.

You make a lot of assumptions, though. Leveling is such a short part of the game? Maybe if your target is getting to maximum level. Often people who want PvE want to actually do all quests available - even grey ones -, want to go after regional achievements and other things for which the level is a side-effect, not a goal. When I played on the old Lordaeron I went with a level 1 character all the way to Ogrimmar, just because I wanted to get the achievement for that. I got like a dozen levels just from opening the map along the way, not because I cared about leveling or it would make it easier - I was one-shot by everything and a couple levels wouldn't change that. How much worse would that be if I was constantly ganked along the way? Now consider that there are people for whom the game is about doing stuff like that, not rushing to maximum level to do end content. Would telling that to a ganker make them stop? Yeah, right.

[sabinprosper1]

You make a lot of assumptions, though. Leveling is such a short part of the game? Maybe if your target is getting to maximum level. Often people who want PvE want to actually do all quests available - even grey ones -, want to go after regional achievements and other things for which the level is a side-effect, not a goal. When I played on the old Lordaeron I went with a level 1 character all the way to Ogrimmar, just because I wanted to get the achievement for that. I got like a dozen levels just from opening the map along the way, not because I cared about leveling or it would make it easier - I was one-shot by everything and a couple levels wouldn't change that. How much worse would that be if I was constantly ganked along the way? Now consider that there are people for whom the game is about doing stuff like that, not rushing to maximum level to do end content. Would telling that to a ganker make them stop? Yeah, right.

This is true, I can't deny that these completionist/casual types of players would be better off in a PvE server.
Sadly, I think this demographic is very much the minority here.

[Obnoxious]

This is true, I can't deny that these completionist/casual types of players would be better off in a PvE server.
Sadly, I think this demographic is very much the minority here.

That's true. But then you take in the fact that on a PvE server you still can PvP if you like, and supposedly like-minded PvPers would leave themselves mutually open to do what they like, without interfering on what other people like. How big the PvE population is becomes irrelevant then. The reason PvE servers often have smaller populations is because, as someone pointed out, they have appeared on the private servers long after people already had established characters, guilds, contacts and friendships. Unless there is some huge difference beyond that, many people won't move or join the new thing. Lordaeron was a great opportunity because what it offers distinguishes it from others.

In the end of the day, the single difference between Normal and PvP in essence is one: choice.

[Netizen]

this whine homo fest...Shut it now pls.

Sad little Homophobe welcome to 2015 where everybody with a brain hates you instead of the homosexuals you hate :)

[m4z4cr312]

Sad little Homophobe welcome to 2015 where everybody with a brain hates you instead of the homosexuals you hate :)

Never said I hated homos but k.

[sabinprosper1]

That's true. But then you take in the fact that on a PvE server you still can PvP if you like, and supposedly like-minded PvPers would leave themselves mutually open to do what they like, without interfering on what other people like. How big the PvE population is becomes irrelevant then. The reason PvE servers often have smaller populations is because, as someone pointed out, they have appeared on the private servers long after people already had established characters, guilds, contacts and friendships. Unless there is some huge difference beyond that, many people won't move or join the new thing. Lordaeron was a great opportunity because what it offers distinguishes it from others.

In the end of the day, the single difference between Normal and PvP in essence is one: choice.

Another difference I can think of is there would just be less PvP activity overall on a PvE server - not only as a result of reduced/eliminated ganking.
Some people forget to flag themselves even if they are open to PvP.
Less PvPers would be attracted to play on the server at all when they see it is PvE.
A lot of world PvP occurs at times which aren't ideal for one of the parties involved. I love the concept of having to stay alert whenever I'm in a contested territory.
The fact of the matter is, when given this choice, a large number of players would elect to turn it off only to make things simpler/easier. These are players that when forced into it, actually don't do all that bad and can hold their own.
The system relies on having some non-like-minded players involved, as harsh as that sounds.

It's the same logic as making use of tools such as RDF if it was available. People who were arguing to have it enabled were saying things like, "well why don't you just level normally without it if you don't like it and let the rest of us use it?"
It's not like the average player is going to simply ignore beneficial things like this.
Why would I choose the hard/slow path when there is an easier option available?

I don't have any hard evidence to back this up, but I believe that PvP is hurt much more on PvE servers than PvE is hurt on PvP servers. Not sure if that makes any sense.

[Skoobydoo]

I'm not talking about Lordaeron specifically, just about the context of Normal vs. PvP servers. Lordaeron won't be changed to Normal, that's a fact.

wait what?ofc we are talking about lorderon.on retail normal servers have exist since release and probably they will keep existing till the end of WOW.all this arguing about pvp vs normal is meanless now.i dont think there is single person here who will say " NORMAL server are bad in general" ,ofc they are not till you give the community option to chose PVP server if they want to.
if warmane can do cross realm for BG and arenas. ( other servers that are not as big as warmane already have that) i will be strong supported of the idea to open 2nd normal lorderon clone realm.

[urchboffy]

The funny thing is that the people that whine the most are the people commenting about people whining, when they in fact are just expressing their opinion in a non aggressive or whiny tone.
and the argument "just stop play if you don't like (insert topic)" is also a very weird argument
if you like 99% of a game and dislike 1% you shouldn't stop playing.
I don't see the danger in discussing with other people to see if they agree or not, even if warmane wont change anything i still find it interesting too see if people agree or not.
you don't need to take every opinion as whine or "QQ"