Which classes can sacrifice def and go full dmg in wotlk?

[Krohlee]

And which of them can do the most dmg in the shortest time?

I mean builds like 100arp combat rogue,warrior or even hunter,feral,(dk ?)
Casters??

I know they fail in high lvl pvp,but they can be fun in bgs,duels

Subt Rogues can do fairly well using a res light (arp heavy) gear set even in 2v2 arena's. this is largely because a rogues job is too not be hit.

warriors could almost do it, but they still need some Res otherwise casters would blow them up np. i wouldnt say any casters could do it outside of maybe frost mage because of its kite ability.

[toniplavna]

No? Prot paladins have plea off cd constantly, a prot paladin should/will never be oom rofl

My surname is Sumic, thats strange o.O

[toniplavna]

Hunters counter any Mages as far as I know.
Ele should kill them especially if there is obstacle involved. Warlocks generally should kill hunters, Destro more likely than Affly, dont know about Demo. Boomkins only if obstacle is involved.
Shadow no questions.
Well yeah it is more like 50/50.
I agree that ranged classes will be more viable in pure PvE gear while in BGs vs coordinated teams. In arena, Prot war/pala, rogue, feral should be better.
It is fun to do BGs with Prots, but if those ele/warlock guys just target you and melt in seconds, because you are in front lines, it will be hard to enjoy those forever retreating games.

elementals can have upper hand vs hunt but i wouldnt be so sure about warlocks. Hunt are generally good duel class. Most problems i had vs dks,s priests and ferals

[Feralbeard]

elementals can have upper hand vs hunt but i wouldnt be so sure about warlocks. Hunt are generally good duel class. Most problems i had vs dks,s priests and ferals

I was talking about MM hunters.
Destro with Succubus and Voidcaller switch + good control at the start should beat hunters, I mean MM hunters.Vs BM hunters yeah, warlocks doesnt stand a chance becouse of fear immunity but BM is not that common in PvP.

[GuyinVenezuela]

Mage and shadowpriest.

Both have "Can't kill me" defensive cooldowns and rely on quick kills. Shadowpriest on full PvE gear on BG is completely nuts. Before Moltdown, I had a Spriest with full nonhc ICC25 gear, easily reaching 3M damage on AV by just doting everything in range

Rogues also can, to some extent. Not as good as mages but being able to stunlock or instantly assasinate targets It's great.

Worst ones probably are Feral, Aff Warlock, Ench shaman, any DK

[Jakkre]

Worst ones probably are Feral, Aff Warlock, Ench shaman, any DK

Then u have never seen a blood dk with 100% arp. they pull more burst dmg than prot warrs. Downside is that caster kill a pve geared blood dk in a matter of seconds.

[Hisue]

any caster?or ranged?

I believe you should go frost mage in that case.

[toniplavna]

Are you agree that best dueling classes are:

1. Frost mage
2. Sub Rogue
3. I dont know the rest?
??

[GuyinVenezuela]

Then u have never seen a blood dk with 100% arp. they pull more burst dmg than prot warrs. Downside is that caster kill a pve geared blood dk in a matter of seconds.

OP is asking about classes that can sacrifice defense for damage. I said any DK is one the worst because It would die easily with no defense

You say I've never seen a blood DK because if they go full arpen can hard burst but die instantly to any caster due no to defense


*????????? intensifies*

[GuyinVenezuela]

Are you agree that best dueling classes are:

1. Frost mage
2. Sub Rogue
3. I dont know the rest?
??

3. Arms Warrior
4. Shadow Priest
5. Unholy DK

[ricsi046]

any idea what should i search in google if i want more information about this topic?
i cant find anything useful

[DarkenedHue]

One of the most common examples of a class like this you see in BG's are MM Hunters. They have the melee playstyle advantage of having mobile damage that's based around auto-attacks and hard-hitting instants, but also the ranged advantage of having the ability to execute all of that from the safety of 41 yards away - a range very few other classes can reach because most casters in PVP are restricted to 36 yards. With mechanics like that working in your favor, it's definitely advantageous to forgo resilience in favor of damage stats to push out more ridiculous damage. BiS geared MM Hunters in particular are notorious for effortlessly topping BG charts by massive margins if left unchecked.

[Jakkre]

any idea what should i search in google if i want more information about this topic?
i cant find anything useful

As u can see in this thread there is no clear answer for ur question.
Everybody recommends u a different class.
In ur case I would go to the blackrock realm and test different classes in full pve gear.

I have done it and I came to the conclusion that when it comes to BGs, it can be very frustrating as full pve geared melee.
As Melee u have to go in the enemy lines and then u get usually attacked by multiple players. When u are full pve geared u die in a matter of seconds and even a pack of private healers wont be able to back u up.

When u play a full pve geared range dps u can avoid to take enemy damage. U just stay in ur grp and attack enemys from high distance which works very well.
Ur only fear are rogs which gonna kill u during the stun lock.
I tested every class on Blackrock and imo no other class does in BGs as much dmg as a full pve geared moonkin.

Now when it comes to 1vs1 or arena its a completely different story.
The only full pve geared class that is viable on high rating is Prot warrior.
U can play prot warr with zero resilience on high rating while all other classes and specs need at least 800 resilience.

To summon it up:
For arena and duels full pve prot warr.
For BGs full pve moonkin.

[Jakkre]

One of the most common examples of a class like this you see in BG's are MM Hunters. They have the melee playstyle advantage of having mobile damage that's based around auto-attacks and hard-hitting instants, but also the ranged advantage of having the ability to execute all of that from the safety of 41 yards away - a range very few other classes can reach because most casters in PVP are restricted to 36 yards. With mechanics like that working in your favor, it's definitely advantageous to forgo resilience in favor of damage stats to push out more ridiculous damage. BiS geared MM Hunters in particular are notorious for effortlessly topping BG charts by massive margins if left unchecked.

I also tried full pve geared MM hunter but I find Moonkin and other caster more effective if ur goal is to top the BG dmg charts.
When u spread ur dots and use starfall whenever its ready then the dmg is just absolutely insane.
Only class that might beat moonkins on large scale battles is a full pve fire mage that spams living bomb and instant pyros all day long.
MM hunter does noticeable lower dmg than these classes...

[DarkenedHue]

Well then, I'd be inclined to think you aren't playing the MM Hunter class at its peak. Damage from spreading DoTs and AoE also less often counts towards actually achieving a kill, so it'd be disingenuous to imply that because a Moonkin excels at dishing out damage, that it's actually an effective BG class. In terms of on-demand Burst/CC to quickly snipe out an enemy healer or some other critical target, MM Hunters are generally better-equipped. There's also the fact that AoE and dot-spreading mainly shine on large-scale fights. Not every encounter in a BG is going to be like that. In smaller BG's like AB and EotS most of the encounters tend to be 3v3, 4v4, 3v4, etc - fights small enough where not only is the effectiveness of your AoE more limited, but where the likelihood of you being singled out as a choice of target to focus on is much higher. Both these issues are a lot less cause for concern on a Hunter.

If people are on to you having 0 resil and decide to train you to shut you down, as a Moonkin you're more or less fu*ked, whereas a Hunter actually has several tools perfectly suited to extricating himself out of such situations. Doesn't help that the Moonkin Form visual does an excellent job serving as a huge, flagrant "I'M THE GUY YOU WANT TO BE KILLING" sign.