This is a fact that everybody knows except you and the staff. We all can see that you are a narrow-minded motlen fanboi but please do us a favor, stop spamming that X years ago how many 12 yold noskilled kids what have done on old warsong, thank you.
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Edited: March 29, 2016 Reason: R.I.P Warsong
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and your a piece of cocky AT trash. with any luck warsong will get shut down and you AT ****s can piss off for good.
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Your post is the perfect example of cockiness, furthermore also breaking forum rules. So what makes you any different from the specific players or community you are so negatively against.
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i really don't care at this point. i'm so sick of people saying how great AT was. if it was so great it wouldn't of had to merge with molten in the first place. molten had enough elitist twats, we didn't need more.
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If you didn't know, history is actually important as it shows why things won't do things or why they will. From what I seen from AT who pvp, they are pretty bad. You all say you had a high skill cap, but in reality, you didn't. You all say your core was "so good" but if that was the case, why did you AT trash have an extremely low population? Oh wait, cause you expected people to be on your standards the moment they step foot, and you would end up treating that person like trash if they weren't.
This a lot of this.
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Romz, you just agreed with a person that said he doesn't care, therefore you don't care either. Why would someone value the opinion of someone who doesn't care, wants the realm closed, is breaking forum rules and is verbally voicing his negativeness towards ex-AT/Molten players, over the ones that are trying to help even if their ideas are bad.
Instead of replying to everyone telling them how much their ideas suck, try giving yours if you think they're so good. But you've already done that, numerously in every single thread in this section of the forum. Arguments like X core sucks, because I was treated there badly/or the players there suck, are invalid due to the fact that there is no longer AT, nor Molten - we are all playing on the same server. No one cares whether you played on old Warsong or AT.
Now I'm going to say what I think although it's probably too late for a change, and don't bash me for it, because I haven't been rude to anyone so far.
AT had a good core and a somewhat toxic community. The reason it had low population was because unless you had a friend there, it was nearly impossible to find a partner that will not bash you.
Warsong had a bad core and a somewhat friendly community. The reason it had bigger population was because finding a partner was extreemly easy. Now because the community is more friendly, becoming a friend with partners you found was very likely - thus giving you a reason to come back and play.
Do you get it? You might not believe it, but it's the community that increases the population in PvP-only servers.
Now, I'm talking from experience playing here over the past months - and I can say that the bigger part of the people that play on the realm are friendly(I've always been able to find a partner for cap,fun or serious arenas.)
So I don't see what's the problem with having some features from AT implemented here. Do you really not want to have a reason for logging in the realm? Do you really not want to unlock a mount or a transmog or any reward after achieving a certain rating, farming honor or having x kills?
The reason people are leaving is because it's boring, there's nothing to do unless it's a season end or you're capping a new character.
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Actually incorrect, I agreed with his post that I quoted with. With that being said I never stated (least not to my knowledge) that I was treated badly, this is coming off from how the AT community acted when the merge first happened and how they treated people who were from Molten. Of course Molten Players didn't help things either, but with posts like yours being hostile only proves my point of how toxic AT community is/was. Then you stating how hard it was to find a person who wouldn't bash you only further my point of why AT was terrible. Although I am not stating all AT players are toxic, but the majority are. But again, if the AT core was "so good" then why did it have low numbers? I mean if it was good, it wouldn't had to merge with Molten or better than Molten's Core wouldn't people go to AT instead regardless of the community?
However, unlocking xmog through an honor system or whatever is quite pointless to me as most xmog that I myself care about is stuff I can craft. But my whole point is that it doesn't matter if the AT core comes, it won't increase the population of Warsong as the damage to the realm has already been done. So this whole notion that the core will save it is ridiculous.
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I tried. I wasn't hostile, but neutral - yet you said I was.
Every single thing you pointed/asked/said is answered in the post you quoted - EVERY. SINGLE. THING.
Your name was mentioned only on the first paragraph of my post, I never referred to you as the one that was treated badly.
Not to mention that I never said change the core, but to take some features from it.
Honestly, talking to you, is like talking to a wall. Even if the entire world showed you that eating is healthy, you'd still starve and die.
I'm not saying that I'm right, maybe I'm talking total non-sense, but you are giving the same replies to everyone without adding anything new. Try to actually read and understand the posts you are replying to.
Furthermore, we are trying to give suggestions that appeal to MOST of the players, you can't please everyone. Just because YOU don't care about X cuz you can do Y, doesn't mean that the entire community agrees with you.
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So getting posters mixed up now. (this is what happens when I don't sleep) So I'll say that is my fault there so I do apologize. The incorrect part, was only referring to the first paragraph, then I ended up rambling on and didn't really know where to break up that paragraph so I was lazy and left it as is. But yes arguing with me is like arguing against a wall. Or debating (if that term is preferred). I am not saying, DON'T give the AT core, but for people to realize, it WON'T fix Warsong if the core was implemented while also tired of how "great AT was", just like how some people are tired about how I talk about Molten Warsong. Numbers may go up yes, but maybe to an average of 300 players. That is me being generous however and is highly unlikely in my opinion.
The only reason I don't like Black Rock that has the AT core, is because all the npc's and mobs are gone (that I seen) which makes a huge chunk of the game seem really empty aside from the handful of NPCs that are there. However I also like having the mobs/npcs there so I can acquire some kind of Xmog when I myself am taking a break from World PvP (haven't been doing it since the merge as no one attacks Ruins of Lordaeron as often as people used to before the moltdown) But with like 50-100 people it's highly unlikely either faction attacks the other. Of course I stated my reasons why I didn't like the AT Core and didn't want it, yet I had AT players tell me to go to Neltharion if I wanted PvE content even though I never asked for Raids/Dungeons to be opened let alone more quests that were fixed. Being fine with the current PvE content that was implemented. If there was a middle ground for it, then I'd be fine with it. But still regardless even if the middle ground was met, it still wouldn't fix Warsong.
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^^ just this
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to clarify, the "i don't really care anymore" part was in reference to
not in reference to warsong itself.
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I agree with jetski
YOU cant say that people preffered 2s on molten because THEY NEVER PLAYED 3S. It is know by everyone who has ever played ****in wow that 2s is a lower skill cap than 3s etc. A small number of people did play 3s on molten and those people played AT as well. Its like saying oh I prefer Spain to India - i have never been to India so how the **** do I know.
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You see, we're closely getting there - to the middle grounds that please most of the players.
No one is saying that the core has to be completely changed, but taken advantage of it's features.
From what I understood(correct me if I'm wrong), ex-Molten players want the npcs and mobs stay, and ex-ATplayers want rewards and better pvp scripts(balance). Combine both and we have a new Warmane core.
In my opinion, the only reason why a change hasn't been made yet, is because the staff has no idea what we want. There are numerous threads of people fighting over what core is better, but never saying constructively what exactly they don't like and what they like. If we all come to an agreement of what should be kept and left behind from both cores, it'll be a lot easier for the staff to decide what to do with the realm.
@Skuddy - if you're not going to post anything constructive and only bash players(talking about your first post), better refrain yourself from posting. This goes for everyone else posting in similar threads. If you support or are against a certain idea, explain why, and give a better one or try to improve it.
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People can only gain with AT core (more feautres, less bug, = more fun), end of discussion. sorry but this is the only right phrase i'v red in the whole topic pce.
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Not necessarily, if 2s were more popular on Molten than 3s, why did 2s queue pop way more often than 3s this is because it was more popular obviously. And by your logic that 3s has a higher skill cap, 5s would be more skillful than 3s.
