You think you do but you dont

[taralej]

You mean there was actually a point in the comparison? Pray tell.

Current WoW cannot even come close to the level of multi-player vanilla brought. That was the point.

From what I could tell ... Most specs can be played to some degree and one has to use more than a few abilities to be good. But lets just say it is as you said ... so its as good as Vanilla?

Yeah, mate, with classes having no more than 15-20 spells in total and your rotation basically being fed to you through your spellbook guide and the spell tooltips. The way rotations work right now on WoD is that you cannot even make them wrong because there just isn't any choice - no other spells to use on your action bars, except your rotation ones.

Your brother skipped most of the content and did what is considered super casual content. Probably didnt even do heroic ... let alone Mythic. You consider that kind of sightseeing actually 'playing' WoW?

Well, that is pretty much what the game is about nowadays. And what sense of accomplishment would those even bring, with a slightly different coloured version of the armour and 10ilvls higher? Is there even a worthwhile reward for doing that content anymore? No.

Also you can stop ****ting out of your mouth or that will cycle back to your rectum. I have played everything this server had to offer, and I will **** off when I want.

OK, so that's not real WoW then, that's just casual LFR and garrisons. And does "real WoW" even matter on retail anymore? No, it doesn't. But it did back then.

Almost religion level of logic ... 'There is certain person up there who tells things exactly the way I want them, you dont understand them though.'

You're telling me what my brother did was not real WoW and then you give me the exact same things which people want as an example - a challenging, rewarding, hardcore experience. So obviously you just agree with me here. Religion level of logic, indeed.

Buy to Play (Partially Free to Play) , Free to Play, Free to Play ..... False Equivalencies much?

And what are gold tokens?

Says the one whose brother does LFR and thinks he has done anything a brain dead chimp cant do.

That's retail today.

Ok people widely claim that WoD avg subscription is abt 5 million. So ... 5 x 15 = 75 Million per month (lets just hypothese that WoD lasted 6 months ... 75x6= 450 million) from subs alone, excluding expansion sales. So that is a dried up cash cow? You would have a very short career in Finances.

Now imagine what those numbers could've been if they made the right decisions and you'll realize you would have a very short career in investment.

Your not playing Overwatch is not really gonna spell doom for Overwatch you know. I dont play Destiny or the Divison either ... both are badly made yet somewhat profitable.

I've never heard of those games. Oh, wait - I've heard of Division, yes. Only because it carries the Tom Clancy name with it. Had no idea it's out already, not that it changes anything. Same goes for Overwatch. My point is they're focusing on stuff that won't even bring them cash, like, what are they even thinking? Blizzard fans know the company for its RPGs, people just won't go for an FPS in an age where there are already so many FPSers out there, which have proven themselves.

This has been the complaint since Vanilla .... try something Original please.

It is so because it is what people want.

Who are you to decide that mate?

By now you should feel it by yourself.

Says the person whose 'brother' skips content and does LFR .... Questing and Raids were quite good actually, for those who had the balls to venture beyond normal that is. Other than that ... yes most of the other stuff was lack luster.

It's not about the balls, really. Questing was just far worse than spamming RDF.

If you play casual content ... then it would feel surprisingly casual. As I said have you done any of the Mythic raids?

I haven't because the game disgusts me to reach that far. Are you telling me it is something completely different than WotLK Hc raids? Somehow I doubt that.

Have you done Myhic Archimonde? or the Ironman Challenge?

Can't you see that the Ironman Challenge is exactly a prototype of the old leveling process?

What other people do is your concern .... how?

Because it's an MMO. Why do I even have to answer this question?

So not the less casual way to level. Odd ... I was under the impress that you disliked the casual stuff.

The question is why is a casual method of leveling made vastly superior to the normal one? I am receiving more for sitting in one place and RDF-spamming than for going out there and questing with people.

People follow you around while you quest or do you declare you action in global chat?

Simple example:
A: Can anyone please help me with that elite quest? (not like there are many left nowadays)
B: Anyone up for questing in the zone?
C: lol noob why do u even do quests, just que rdf

You really seem like the person who sits on a cactus and complains that the butt hurts for some reason.

That would be true if I was playing those expansions. You seem to have. So, again, what are you doing here?

[Imperiet]

Taralej wins. Wow was harder, more competetive but also more cooperative and not mudded down with bad features.

And that video by the way was fking great. A bit unnecessary long but got its point across and was damn funny too.

[taralej]

Vanilla wasn't perfect, by far, yes. But that doesn't mean they can't fix it. The game by itself wasn't really hard - the hard part was that the game as a whole was new for everyone so there was this steep learning curve. This curve is what made vanilla challenging for most players, most of whom had never touched an MMORPG before (because there were none). There was a great sense of achievement and cooperation was something necessary if you wanted to succeed in the game - to level faster, to complete elite quests, to do dungeons and raids.

Now you do not even need to talk to anyone in the game. You can just sit in one place and level through pet battles or by spamming RDF with random people you have never met and will never meet again, and you'll level faster than through questing. Most elite quests in the game were nerfed to non-elite as well. And then the LFR function was also added for those casuals who couldn't afford the time to actually join a raiding guild and raid and who didn't want to bother with waiting for random PUGs to form. It doesn't even feel like an MMO anymore... And with the ****ed up lore, it doesn't feel like Warcraft either. I thought I'd be fighting alongside the orcish warlords, not against them. I said to myself that if Blizzard made it so I have to actually fight the greatest heroes of the first Horde, then I just won't play this ****ed up piece of an expansion. And I didn't. I tried it, it was even worse than I expected and I abandoned it.

Currently waiting for Blizzard to finally open their eyes and make a legacy server. They're getting more and more pressure lately, including from former employees and developers. This time they cannot ignore it.

[Gwola]

WoD comes to mind.

Cata WoD , but back then people still had hopes in Blizzard .

After the lies pre WoD not so much :D

[Eldwyn]

Blizzard will open those legacy servers when the subs drop to a certain point. I dont get what the fuzz is all about.

They are not stupid, i mean come on.

[toniplavna]

Blizzard will open those legacy servers when the subs drop to a certain point. I dont get what the fuzz is all about.

They are not stupid, i mean come on.

And we can finally get warcraft 4 to play.

[Baleroc]

@Anorien16 - watch this video and if you have any further doubts, consider quitting WoW.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM40cK5tu7w

I'm sorry, but if you think this video is a fair comparison between both expansions', then you are more blinded by nostalgia and completely ignorant.

Firstly, you are comparing a battleground with another completely different feature.

Secondly, the battleground that is playing has music to increase the attention and awareness of the video. The video showing WoD has no music at all, which can mentally alter the opinion just through having music alone.

Thirdly, as stated above, this is a biased comparison. What should have been compared is Ashran and Vanilla - since both would have been PvP related.

However, the WoD Video was PvE focused ONLY, where the Vanilla video was PvP focused ONLY. You can't compare the PvE and PvP features of two completely separate games, and then state your game is better because the PvP is better than your version of PvE.

Instead, if you wanted to emphasise a particular part of the game - you should have PvP aspects of both games for WoD and Vanilla, but that was not the case.

Note: before you say I am biased to Blizzard: I haven't played a World of Warcraft expansion since Mists of Pandaria - so I cannot judge the state of WoD. However, my point is stressing that this video cannot compare two unrelated features of a game.

[dike]

I'm sorry, but if you think this video is a fair comparison between both expansions', then you are more blinded by nostalgia and completely ignorant.

Firstly, you are comparing a battleground with another completely different feature.

Secondly, the battleground that is playing has music to increase the attention and awareness of the video. The video showing WoD has no music at all, which can mentally alter the opinion just through having music alone.

Thirdly, as stated above, this is a biased comparison. What should have been compared is Ashran and Vanilla - since both would have been PvP related.

However, the WoD Video was PvE focused ONLY, where the Vanilla video was PvP focused ONLY. You can't compare the PvE and PvP features of two completely separate games, and then state your game is better because the PvP is better than your version of PvE.

Instead, if you wanted to emphasise a particular part of the game - you should have PvP aspects of both games for WoD and Vanilla, but that was not the case.

Note: before you say I am biased to Blizzard: I haven't played a World of Warcraft expansion since Mists of Pandaria - so I cannot judge the state of WoD. However, my point is stressing that this video cannot compare two unrelated features of a game.

the major point of that video, at least for me, was showing dead world pvp in wod, since no one ever goes out of garrisons

[taralej]

I'm sorry, but if you think this video is a fair comparison between both expansions', then you are more blinded by nostalgia and completely ignorant.

Firstly, you are comparing a battleground with another completely different feature.

Secondly, the battleground that is playing has music to increase the attention and awareness of the video. The video showing WoD has no music at all, which can mentally alter the opinion just through having music alone.

Thirdly, as stated above, this is a biased comparison. What should have been compared is Ashran and Vanilla - since both would have been PvP related.

However, the WoD Video was PvE focused ONLY, where the Vanilla video was PvP focused ONLY. You can't compare the PvE and PvP features of two completely separate games, and then state your game is better because the PvP is better than your version of PvE.

Instead, if you wanted to emphasise a particular part of the game - you should have PvP aspects of both games for WoD and Vanilla, but that was not the case.

Note: before you say I am biased to Blizzard: I haven't played a World of Warcraft expansion since Mists of Pandaria - so I cannot judge the state of WoD. However, my point is stressing that this video cannot compare two unrelated features of a game.

It's not a battleground, it's open world PvP. The rest of your post pretty much doesn't matter from here on.

No, I can't compare WoD and vanilla - vanilla is simply a lot better.

[Lynea]

Firstly, you are comparing a battleground with another completely different feature.

It's world pvp in the Hinterlands.

Thirdly, as stated above, this is a biased comparison. What should have been compared is Ashran and Vanilla - since both would have been PvP related.

Compare Ashran and Vanilla? Everyone who has played Ashran to any fair extent knows that it was AN OVERCOMPLICATED FAILURE TO DUPLICATE VANILLA ALTERAC VALLEY. So, the comparison for many people, is already there.

However, the WoD Video was PvE focused ONLY, where the Vanilla video was PvP focused ONLY. You can't compare the PvE and PvP features of two completely separate games, and then state your game is better because the PvP is better than your version of PvE.

Instead, if you wanted to emphasise a particular part of the game - you should have PvP aspects of both games for WoD and Vanilla, but that was not the case.

See, this is where you fail to understand. World PvP DOES NOT EXIST unless it's ganking low levels. Do you know why? BECAUSE EVERYONE IS SITTING IN THEIR FKING GARRISON.
How's that for a fair comparison between the two.

Note: before you say I am biased to Blizzard: I haven't played a World of Warcraft expansion since Mists of Pandaria - so I cannot judge the state of WoD.

This is your problem right here.

[Pooppickle]

ashran isnt even pvp, it's just npcs
an overwhelming amount of npcs

[Baleroc]

It's world pvp in the Hinterlands.

Compare Ashran and Vanilla? Everyone who has played Ashran to any fair extent knows that it was AN OVERCOMPLICATED FAILURE TO DUPLICATE VANILLA ALTERAC VALLEY. So, the comparison for many people, is already there.


See, this is where you fail to understand. World PvP DOES NOT EXIST unless it's ganking low levels. Do you know why? BECAUSE EVERYONE IS SITTING IN THEIR FKING GARRISON.
How's that for a fair comparison between the two.

This is your problem right here.

Firstly, I am simply criticising the issues with the suggested video.

My interpretation is that the video was comparing PvP and PvE features of two games. Regardless of whether the point of the video was demonstrating the World PvP of two different games - by showing a player in PvE content, does not prove anything.

Secondly, you cannot state that for all players: each one is only found within their garrison. Unless you have proof, and statistics - directly generated from Blizzard, your argument is invalid.

[Anorien16]

Current WoW cannot even come close to the level of multi-player vanilla brought. That was the point.

How does current level wow stops people from playing together? Oh wait .... people choose not to.

Yeah, mate, with classes having no more than 15-20 spells in total and your rotation basically being fed to you through your spellbook guide and the spell tooltips. The way rotations work right now on WoD is that you cannot even make them wrong because there just isn't any choice - no other spells to use on your action bars, except your rotation ones.

And this is worse then using 2-3 spells and near total unavailability of certain spec?

Well, that is pretty much what the game is about nowadays. And what sense of accomplishment would those even bring, with a slightly different coloured version of the armour and 10ilvls higher? Is there even a worthwhile reward for doing that content anymore? No.

So ... the whiner admits that doing hard content has no value. Being a scrub mentality is scrubby it seems. Btw do you still use safety wheels because riding like adults really dont have any value in itself.

Btw what sense of accomplishment does playing Vanilla bring I wonder?

OK, so that's not real WoW then, that's just casual LFR and garrisons. And does "real WoW" even matter on retail anymore? No, it doesn't. But it did back then.

Casual players will play casually. Dedicated players play dedicated. .... If you played LFR and Garrison and think that you have played Wow then you might as well have scratched your butt and think you had played wow.

You're telling me what my brother did was not real WoW

What I am saying: You brother didnt graduate from casual school.

and then you give me the exact same things which people want as an example - a challenging, rewarding, hardcore experience. So obviously you just agree with me here. Religion level of logic, indeed.

And what are gold tokens?

A 20$ trade item. Something that can be bought only by seriously and systematically investing time to farm up gold. (Basically you have dedicate time not having fun ... for the possibility of having fun.)

That's retail today.

Hardly ... Some people still have balls to take up the challenge.

Now imagine what those numbers could've been if they made the right decisions and you'll realize you would have a very short career in investment.

Let me tell you a very sound ivestment advice: 'One bird in the hadn is worth more than two Birds in the bush'. There is a reason that is old saying. ;)

I've never heard of those games. Oh, wait - I've heard of Division, yes. Only because it carries the Tom Clancy name with it. Had no idea it's out already, not that it changes anything.

Sigh ... casual confirmed.

Same goes for Overwatch. My point is they're focusing on stuff that won't even bring them cash, like, what are they even thinking? Blizzard fans know the company for its RPGs, people just won't go for an FPS in an age where there are already so many FPSers out there, which have proven themselves.

Yet every CoD game, every reskinned Assassins Creed etc earns profit to release a squeal with in a year. But as you are able to see the future and is asmed with years of experience as a successful Financial Advisor ... I bow to you expert prediction.

It is so because it is what people want.

People wanted flying gone because it ruined world pvp ..... They didn't like what they wanted when they got it.

By now you should feel it by yourself.

My my ... I am scccaareed by the keyzboardz warriorz.

It's not about the balls, really. Questing was just far worse than spamming RDF.

Slightly difficult content while not being carried by 2-4 others is supposed be worse.

I haven't because the game disgusts me to reach that far. Are you telling me it is something completely different than WotLK Hc raids? Somehow I doubt that.

Basically ... You have no idea what your talking about. Good to know really. Its not surprising really.

Can't you see that the Ironman Challenge is exactly a prototype of the old leveling process?

Yes ... Its offered as choice now, not as a necessity. Casual people can play casually, hardcore people can play hardcore. Much like how Lorderon and Icecrown will be here.

Because it's an MMO. Why do I even have to answer this question?

What other people do is not your concern either in a MMO or in real life. That kind of thinking leads to **** like 'No Gay marriage allowed' bias.

The question is why is a casual method of leveling made vastly superior to the normal one?

Because its casual .... its supposed to easy.

I am receiving more for sitting in one place and RDF-spamming than for going out there and questing with people.

So? In the US low income people can get food stamps almost doing nothing .... that doesnt mean they should do almost nothing.

Simple example:
A: Can anyone please help me with that elite quest? (not like there are many left nowadays)
B: Anyone up for questing in the zone?
C: lol noob why do u even do quests, just que rdf

Sigh implying **** talking in trade chat is a rare occurrence .... Back in the glory days in the Barrens chat the scrubs was not sensitive flowers.

That would be true if I was playing those expansions. You seem to have. So, again, what are you doing here?

I have played all expansion retail WoD and rest in private servers. As for what I am doing here. I love the people here so visit often and see it growth. Btw if you wanna really make me go away , stop being a filthy casual and go hardcore ... as of now, your attempts are as laughable as a sunburnt ginger in a slapfight.

PS I was delayed.

[magaginho]

Firstly, I am simply criticising the issues with the suggested video.

My interpretation is that the video was comparing PvP and PvE features of two games. Regardless of whether the point of the video was demonstrating the World PvP of two different games - by showing a player in PvE content, does not prove anything.

Secondly, you cannot state that for all players: each one is only found within their garrison. Unless you have proof, and statistics - directly generated from Blizzard, your argument is invalid.

How can you even state that the argument is invalid? Do you actually know how to understand graphics?

Activision’s latest earnings call has revealed that Blizzard’s mammoth MMO, World of Warcraft, has lost just over 3 million subscribers since last quarter, when their latest expansion, Warlords of Draenor was launched.

That's a quote from one year ago. Blizzard had devs themselves stating that WoD lacked content and that several situations would be fixed with the release of Legion. Everyone knows, it's common sense, that every single player just logged in their garrisons to go through a farmville game.

Losing such a big number of subscriptions is an official statement that WoD sucked and I don't understand why you're trying to pull a fanboy movement.

Sigh ... casual confirmed. (...)

What's the issue of being a casual again? I consider myself a casual since I don't have the patience to be hardcore anymore but I still stomp the face of most of the so called "hardcore" players. People grow up and people have priorities over a game so they decide to be a casual. In fact, most of the best players I've ever seen are casuals now and they still stomp most of the players. This kind of statement is so ridiculous, lol.

[Anorien16]

What's the issue of being a casual again? I consider myself a casual since I don't have the patience to be hardcore anymore but I still stomp the face of most of the so called "hardcore" players. People grow up and people have priorities over a game so they decide to be a casual. In fact, most of the best players I've ever seen are casuals now and they still stomp most of the players. This kind of statement is so ridiculous, lol.

Nothing wrong with playing casual my friend. People have different lives/needs and the game can not catered to only those who are willing to sacrefice their firstborn. But I dont think you are like our friend above who does casual content like a casual and then complains that it isnt hard enough and catered towards casuals.

Personally I like being given choice and not hamfisted into certain ways and I certainly dont complain for making the choice I made.