Please help community to understand better what is NINJA LOOT or NOT.

[Anyone0]

It might have been a mistake because he thought the item was not good for warlocks. I don't play warlock and I don't know how it actually is. But screenshot of loot rules would still be required to make sure that he didn't announce something like warlocks can't roll on spirit gear. I am not saying that he did but without screenshot you can't prove that he didn't. Raid leaders are allowed to do pretty much anything as long as they announce it in loot rules at the beginning of the raid and that's why you need a screenshot of loot rules or the leader saying that there are no specific loot rules.

[taralej]

If you started to flame, then I wouldn't give you the item, no matter if it belonged to you or not.

And it did not belong to you. Look at your gear (belt, boots, rings, MH, OH, wand), you're not even Spirit-geared - why would you want these bracers?

If there was no one else eligible for it and he still didn't give it to you, then it was either his mistake or he was mad at you - there are no other reasons for a Ret/Ret not to give them to you.

[PlatinumGaara]

... you need a screenshot of loot rules or the leader saying that there are no specific loot rules.

There was nothing reserved or restricted, so there was nothing to screen.

look at your gear (belt, boots, rings, MH, OH, wand), you're not even Spirit-geared - why would you want these bracers?

All my offset give me spirit, only boots and belt no.

Btw i didnt say a word in that raid, i just get flammed as well from some ppl that rolled drop and lost it.
I just said it's bis for demolock. Stop.

[Obnoxious]

You still need a screenshot showing the loot rules, even if it is to say there's none out of the usual. Without that, it's just you saying there was nothing reserved. The fact there was a roll doesn't proves anything by itself.

Regarding you asking if you should start doing this... well, don't be surprised if you do that and get banned because people did take all the screenshots to prove it.

[Selaya]

Death Surgeon`s Sleeves are as much BiS to a Demolock as 1 is equal to 2.
Crit Spirit is /really not/ what you`d want.

[PlatinumGaara]

You still need a screenshot showing the loot rules, even if it is to say there's none out of the usual. Without that, it's just you saying there was nothing reserved. The fact there was a roll doesn't proves anything by itself.

Regarding you asking if you should start doing this... well, don't be surprised if you do that and get banned because people did take all the screenshots to prove it.

If Raid leader rolls it is really evident it was not reserved.
How can i screen if something is reserved if there is nothing reserved?
Into the screen u can see also that ppl rolled and wrote "it's not for lock", noone wrote it's reserved or somthing.
It's like u see someone with a knife in his hand on a cadaver and sustain: noone see if he kills him.
it's just evident.

Every ****ing raid i can ninja loots without i write reserved/or not reserved, cuz ppl havent nothing to screen for prove it .

There is a screen of loo.
Screen of drop rolled by Leader.
Screen of rolls and of the winner.
Screen of the lead that took the loot.

It's all u need for understand the situation.

edit:

Death Surgeon`s Sleeves are as much BiS to a Demolock as 1 is equal to 2.
Crit Spirit is /really not/ what you`d want.

Demolock is support dps, and u have to play him with all the spirit u can have.

[Obnoxious]

If Raid leader rolls it is really evident it was not reserved.
How can i screen if something is reserved if there is nothing reserved?
Into the screen u can see also that ppl rolled and wrote "it's not for lock", noone wrote it's reserved or somthing.
It's like u see someone with a knife in his hand on a cadaver and sustain: noone see if he kills him.
it's just evident.
Every fuking raid i can ninja loots without i write reserved/or not reserved, cuz ppl havent nothing to screen for prove it .

1. No, it isn't. It might have been a mistake, he might be in a hurry and didn't see it was a reserved item, and so on;
2. You take a screenshot of the leader saying the loot rules and not mentioning anything reserved;
3. The ninja reports have a very clear set of requirements to make it so there's no room for doubt. If there's doubt, i.e. you didn't provide all the required proof, GMs will disregard the report, even if you consider it "evident";
4. Already addressed in point 2. People do get banned for it, so they manage to gather the required proof just fine. Your problem is you refuse to understand that you are missing proof that isn't optional.

[PlatinumGaara]

1. No, it isn't. It might have been a mistake, he might be in a hurry and didn't see it was a reserved item, and so on;
2. You take a screenshot of the leader saying the loot rules and not mentioning anything reserved;
3. The ninja reports have a very clear set of requirements to make it so there's no room for doubt. If there's doubt, i.e. you didn't provide all the required proof, GMs will disregard the report, even if you consider it "evident";
4. Already addressed in point 2. People do get banned for it, so they manage to gather the required proof just fine. Your problem is you refuse to understand that you are missing proof that isn't optional.

Ok perfect, thanks.
So u are saying me that if i'll organize a raid, i can easily avoid to write all references about reserverd items , and noone can report me, because they cant have evidences for prove it.

Because its clear that if i write:
Lfm Icc25hc fresh , need 1 tank, 1 heal some dps, wisp me achi/gs
Noone will think to ask me if somethings is reserved, so they will never can have a screen about it.

btw thanks for the time ;)

I'ts all clear now. Now we know how to act.

[Obnoxious]

Ok perfect, thanks.
So u are saying me that if i'll organize a raid, i can easily avoid to write all references about reserverd items , and noone can report me, because they cant have evidences for prove it.

No, that's not it at all. If you don't make any mentions about reserved items and they screenshot your loot rules at the beginning of the raid, they can use that as proof and get you banned. I'm not sure how else to word it, seriously: you do not have one of the screenshots required as proof, one that is essential to prove there were no reservations listed; saying "there was nothing to screenshot" will just get your report automatically dismissed, as there is what to screenshot, and more than one person has pointed that out to you in this thread.

[PlatinumGaara]

No, that's not it at all. If you don't make any mentions about reserved items and they screenshot your loot rules at the beginning of the raid, they can use that as proof and get you banned. I'm not sure how else to word it, seriously: you do not have one of the screenshots required as proof, one that is essential to prove there were no reservations listed; saying "there was nothing to screenshot" will just get your report automatically dismissed, as there is what to screenshot, and more than one person has pointed that out to you in this thread.

Ok men ty.
But it's a little strange. I just dont understand what i have to screen, if there are no mentions about reservation of drops.
But it's ok.

really thanks for your time. ;)

But just the last curiosity, honestly , in your opinion, this is or not a ninja loot?

[Obnoxious]

You have to take a screen of exactly that. If there's no mention of reservation at the start and later they starting taking things saying it was reserved, you have proof that's a lie. If you are in doubt you can even ask the raid leader if there's anything reserved and take a screenshot of your question and the reply you get.

I don't have an opinion. I didn't look at your screenshots, just removed the links since they shouldn't have been posted, and what you've posted is just your side of the story.

[Selaya]

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Demolock is support dps, and u have to play him with all the spirit u can have.

No, it`s not. You can play it with a spirit stack set for the better raid support (and weaker personal DPS), but it is always a balance between personal dps and raid dps. Crit Spirit items are usually not taken for any purpose, it`s just too steep of a personal DPS loss for a marginal raid DPS gain.
That must`ve been the reason why the raid leader has denied you your item. I`m sure you`d find a whole lot of more raid leaders who would`ve done the same.

[PlatinumGaara]

No, it`s not. You can play it with a spirit stack set for the better raid support (and weaker personal DPS), but it is always a balance between personal dps and raid dps. Crit Spirit items are usually not taken for any purpose, it`s just too steep of a personal DPS loss for a marginal raid DPS gain.
That must`ve been the reason why the raid leader has denied you your item. I`m sure you`d find a whole lot of more raid leaders who would`ve done the same.

I'ts not what the raid leader wants, and it's not what raid leader thinks, it's a bis and that's all. ;)

[Selaya]

Can you provide any citation that it is in fact bis for a Demolock above Fiery Night 284?

[PlatinumGaara]

Can you provide any citation that it is in fact bis for a Demolock above Fiery Night 284?

Second bis btw, considering that halion 25hc is really hard, and it has not spirit.
And that doesn't change that Surgeon are perfect for demolock.