Yes, the zombie that literally everyone hates.
Lore is so f***ing butchered right now, and has been since the paralel universe ****.
Here's what happened:
- Varian, best hero of 2 planets and 2 universes, legendary feats, dragon slayer, fueled by a GOD, literally a living demi-god of our times, backstabbed by a legion grunt....
wat
- Vol'Jin, become Warchief, die in a chair from a wound by a legion grunt....
wat
- Sylvannas, the necromantic zombie leader that literally everyone except the undead and a few faithful blood elf rangers hate, becomes Warchief.
Let's analyze this a little, and see why this is fanservice, instead of a rational decision (btw, why does no-one point out that Vol'Jin was dying and during his weed session he was like **** bro, spirits tell me zombie chick should be new lead, far outttttt)
Why Sylvannas shouldn't be the new Warchief:
- As pointed previous 3 times: Everyone hates her, except a few. Orcs never liked the Undead (see Kor'Kron's in Undercity for their reactions, Garrosh who represents the warrior majority, and in general, no orc has ever trusted the undead). Tauren only work with the Undead because, again, the spirits tell them there is more to them, even though they never personally see that and are always aware of when an Undead is nearby (also, the few undead in thunder bluff are holed up in a cave). Blood Elves despise the Undead, they see them as abominations, unrestful spirits of their ancestors, allies and families walking in a rotting husk. Lor'Themar has warned Sylvannas many times that if she continues to make those "abominations" out of fallen blood elves he will personally murder her (even though he was her inferior during her living days, her being the General and him Lieutenant, he now vastly surpasses Sylvannas in skill, strategy and cunning, not even adding that fact that he is living). I don't know the trolls standpoint, probably same as Tauren.
- Phew. Also, Sylvannas has failed on numerous occasions to kill Arthas due to grudges. She lost Undercity to a few rascals and has failed to defend Silvermoon from Arthas. So she is a failure on the battlefield as well.
- Who should be warchief then? Well, Baine is still a child compared to others, trolls have no noteable leader, same with goblins and orcs since Thrall won't lead again. There is Eitrigg, who is a veteran of the first and second wars, and an advisor to two warchiefs, who would have the most experience and probably the people's trust. And there is also Lor'Themar.
The Horde has been brutish/savage for too long, they need a King, not a Warchief, they are no longer invaders, plunderers. They should follow Thrall's way of diplomacy, and who better fit for it than the elves, who have been allies of the Alliance and the elven council is vastly more knowledgeable than any shamanistic ring. They also control the Sunwell, have a Na'aru's blessing which may tie them closer to draeneis and are of the same species as the Night Elves.
The only way I will ever accept future lore is if:
a) Blood Elves lead
b) Blood Elves join the Alliance
But right now, Sylvannas as Warchief makes NO sense, except for being fanservice.
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@Radvo thats just your opinion there are people who still enjoy the lore and the game itself, ive had a blast and im honestly looking forward to seeing more of this, not everything has to be perfect, just entertaining enough to keep players interested and playing
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Ain't we cute?
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Which is obviously not the case, subscriptions have been on the downfall since ages now. There's a reason why games that have been running for a long time will attempt to innovate a little bit from time to time.
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Emerald Dream good enough raid for you?
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There isn't a single game that can last and please the community forever. Changes are welcome but you won't be able to sustain your community for a really long time range 'cause people always have the need of finding something to cry about. There were many top games that were forced to innovate their mechanics and lost a lot of fans. Take a look at the Final Fantasy franchise for example; Turn based? Awesome. New battle mechanics? ****ing disgusting. Diablo 1 & 2? Beautiful. Diablo 3? An arcade game that lost most of the old school players. There are so many perfect examples for this that we could stay here for hours.
In the same way that I think that Sylvanna's being a leader is a good idea. Every single player has the right of having their opinion about the lore and lore development, however, those who find the idea funny are fanboys according to him; But oh well. Who cares about him anyway.
I dunno, is RS a good enough raid for you mr QA?Edited: August 11, 2016
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Never said anything about the game, just the lore.
But yeah the game is bland af.
I honestly honestly feel that Blizzard could pull of a Wc4 into WoW2.
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I just want my vanilla servers or a progression realm that stops at WotLK.
sigh
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Player numbers eventually decline to a certain degree in every game. But often they also fish in some new players, so you will either see a rise and decline or a steady flow of players flushing in and out. But the number of players crashing is an entirely different story. Your diablo example doesnt work too well, since it isn't a series which gets released fairly often. They did eventually listen and adressed the complaints which the diablo community had, sure the game isn't a worthy successor to d2, but it became a decent game with reaper of souls. Fifa or call of duty would be a better example in this case, even assassins creed would be quite good. When it comes to WoW, Blizzard simply lost its open ear with its community. Have you followed the legacy servers debate that has been going on? Did you see the answer Blizzard gave regarding it? That in itself shows they have no clue on what people currently expect from WoW. They even follow CoD's prestige system now for BGs in hope people feel motivate to grind BGs. Let's not even call them out on the empty promises regarding their facebook game, uhm I mean garrison. They did add a few cool things over the years, but for every good thing they added, they usually took 2 dives straight into the sand aswell.
TL;DR: It's not the changes that ruin a game, it's not listening to feedback regarding said changes that breaks the neck.
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There's a vanilla server launching soon like that but it stops at Cata or MoP I think.
New realms for each expansion with the option to transfer.
Might die on population over time tho.
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Most Subs went down big time during WoD, WoD had 3 raids in total, and barely any content at all if you ask me, just seemed extremely repetitive and slow paced pvp wise. it was not a very good expansion, on mop they still had 9m subs tho. Now if you look at the legion the first patch of the expansion, people are getting 3 raids right away, thats how much wod had at the end, the last time we've had that many raids and dungeons released at once was at cata, so people will start returning no doubt. Population will surely grow again, im even seeing it during my grouping with others, everyone has a positive feedback on whats going on right now with blizz/WoW.
What you mentioned about subs downfall, i also think that not everyone is quitting for the game reasons, but ppl are just getting older, and bored of playing the same game for a long time, Some people just quit cause others say ''hey the game sucks'' so they quit as well even though they dont actually think that, they just listen to others, but this isnt really relevant in any way, just thought id point that out.. some people just prefer older expansions and thats fine, they feel nostalgic and like the old style better, i respect that.
anyway thats just my 2 cents on what you said about current subs
Emerald nightmare you mean?
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Actually my favourite one from those that are still alive. Badass af as well. Also, Lorthemar can be trusted even less - he even considered switching factions. So at this point there is no better.[/QUOTE]
Lore is so f***ing butchered right now, and has been since the paralel universe ****.
But he isn't immortal, as arent demigods.Here's what happened:
- Varian, best hero of 2 planets and 2 universes, legendary feats, dragon slayer, fueled by a GOD, literally a living demi-god of our times, backstabbed by a legion grunt....
As isn't he.- Vol'Jin, become Warchief, die in a chair from a wound by a legion grunt...
If she would be hated by all, she would've never been taken in the Horde in the first place. On top of that, he always trusted them, why would he not trust them now?- Sylvannas, the necromantic zombie leader that literally everyone except the undead and a few faithful blood elf rangers hate, becomes Warchief.
Let's analyze this a little, and see why this is fanservice, instead of a rational decision (btw, why does no-one point out that Vol'Jin was dying and during his weed session he was like **** bro, spirits tell me zombie chick should be new lead, far outttttt)
- As pointed previous 3 times: Everyone hates her, except a few. Orcs never liked the Undead (see Kor'Kron's in Undercity for their reactions, Garrosh who represents the warrior majority, and in general, no orc has ever trusted the undead). Tauren only work with the Undead because, again, the spirits tell them there is more to them, even though they never personally see that and are always aware of when an Undead is nearby (also, the few undead in thunder bluff are holed up in a cave). Blood Elves despise the Undead, they see them as abominations, unrestful spirits of their ancestors, allies and families walking in a rotting husk. Lor'Themar has warned Sylvannas many times that if she continues to make those "abominations" out of fallen blood elves he will personally murder her (even though he was her inferior during her living days, her being the General and him Lieutenant, he now vastly surpasses Sylvannas in skill, strategy and cunning, not even adding that fact that he is living). I don't know the trolls standpoint, probably same as Tauren.[/QUOTE]Why Sylvannas shouldn't be the new Warchief:
There is no proof orcs would not like undead afaik. Taurens might not like them, but no signs of them disliking undead. And spirits have never lied to them. Blood elves were braught in the Horde by the undead, otherwise they would probably never have joined and also no proof of hating undead. Lorthemar might be better in melee combat, but Sylvanas at ranged as well as some of the magic - remember, she is just as blood elf as before only now empowered and with knowledge of poisons and how to create stronger warriors. We cant say that because Lorthemar doesnt have the best thoughts that the rest of the society dont. The fact that he is "living" gives nothing to him, and there is no proof of how cunning and/or strategic he is, same about sylvanas. Trolls work by what spirits say, and if they say Sylvanas must be their leader, they will follow.
In both occasions these were scourge that beat her. It took the whole might of Azeroth to defeat them, how do you expect one race to beat them?- Phew. Also, Sylvannas has failed on numerous occasions to kill Arthas due to grudges. She lost Undercity to a few rascals and has failed to defend Silvermoon from Arthas. So she is a failure on the battlefield as well.
[QUOTE]- Who should be warchief then? Well, Baine is still a child compared to others, trolls have no noteable leader, same with goblins and orcs since Thrall won't lead again. There is Eitrigg, who is a veteran of the first and second wars, and an advisor to two warchiefs, who would have the most experience and probably the people's trust. And there is also Lor'Themar.[QUOTE]
Eitrigg has never been in leadership. He is a veteran, but that in no way does translate in being a good leader. Lor'themar almost switched factions and has said it out loud. If there is any who shouldnt be trusted, its him.
Thrall remained a WARCHIEF. So it's probably not because of war at this point, but because of a tradition.The Horde has been brutish/savage for too long, they need a King, not a Warchief, they are no longer invaders, plunderers. They should follow Thrall's way of diplomacy, and who better fit for it than the elves, who have been allies of the Alliance and the elven council is vastly more knowledgeable than any shamanistic ring. They also control the Sunwell, have a Na'aru's blessing which may tie them closer to draeneis and are of the same species as the Night Elves.
a) Blood elves are least trustableThe only way I will ever accept future lore is if:
a) Blood Elves lead
b) Blood Elves join the Alliance
b) Highly unlikely because of Jaina
She is the only one who does.But right now, Sylvannas as Warchief makes NO sense, except for being fanservice.
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all truth tbh, lets not forget the ******ed way that tirion died by a summoned pet
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Eredar are not "summoned pets".
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tfw you get your mom to say "cyka blyat"
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