Thank You for Further Addressing the Faction Imbalance

[Waytodawn]

First of i want to say i like what you are trying to accomplish.
I wasn't even aware how bad the faction imbalance was up until now, though I just started playing.

That being said i don't like the way you are trying to accomplish this goal, nor do i think it will work out.
The question beeing, who is most likely being affected by this implementation. Most people who are already on Horde won't be bothered too much since they already have their char created. Only new players have the real issue here (including their friends obviously). And I don't think they will affect the numbers that much.
Changing racials wouldn't be that bad of an idea, but would have to be tested out properly. (You don't want night elf druids with wotf). Still I don't think that is the main issue. Many people just like myself just know the Horde side way better. Like how all the quests work, where stuff is etc. I would prly take twice as long to lvl to 70 on Alliance just because i don't know ****.

I suggest if you wanna keep this temporary change, that you enable sending letters to the other faction. Then people who are already on here might consider rolling their alt (who doenst need the best racial for maximizing pve etc) on the other faction. You don't affect the current players that much and the fix for new players would work just as well.

Just my 2 cents.

[drx2win]

Reason for me to gank as much alliance as possible for being cry babies and ruining this server for most of us. great job, for real.

[OneOfAKind]

Tell me: Your guild, we say 50 ppl are at horde. Now 2 next friends wanna go horde, but they are blocked. All guildies wanna join alliance now?

Result: All stay horde and all ppl are annoyed, no one is going alliance. It's the point that they can't play/won't play alliance cz ganked, dead, bad racials, outnumbered...Medivh is unattractive for the most ppl too, cz 1x/market place, so they stay on outland or stop playing.

A guild is not really "friends" in what I am talking about. By friends I am talking about real life friends. There are not many (or any at all) with 50 friends on this server alone.

I am sure you will be able to find a new guild with your two other friends on alliance side too.

If we remove the faction balance fixes, there will be alliance anyoed, horde will in the end have no one to play against, because no one will play alliance anymore. And please don't even try add any other new extra stuff on alliance, I don't want some extra boost. I want the fair grind.

Never talked about Medivh, don't know why you are bringing that up to me, I am talking about Outland.

So you can choose, kill alliance race or make some hordes cry a bit, because they are to lazy to change faction (something thats free).

I myself, wanted to play horde, but chose to go alliance because I knew it would be a way higher horde population.

[sylvr]

changing, deleting, and altering racials is a terrible idea and takes this even closer to fun-server than it already is. cheaper mounts means nothing when people can just take an extra day to hit 58 and have enough gold for a mount, or already have a 70. changing the server to PvE keeps you from getting ganked, but getting killed while questing is a fraction of the issue (less groups/guilds/PvE opportunities, terrible economy, 15k people competing for quests/resources) all of which will keep people from going ally.

increasing rep, or easing leveling is about the only incentive you can give that wont destroy one side or the other while enticing people to actually switch. it doesn't have to be permanent , but you guys were a little late to a problem everyone saw coming from miles away.

[Mercy]

changing, deleting, and altering racials is a terrible idea and takes this even closer to fun-server than it already is. cheaper mounts means nothing when people can just take an extra day to hit 58 and have enough gold for a mount, or already have a 70. changing the server to PvE keeps you from getting ganked, but getting killed while questing is a fraction of the issue (less groups/guilds/PvE opportunities, terrible economy, 15k people competing for quests/resources) all of which will keep people from going ally.

increasing rep, or easing leveling is about the only incentive you can give that wont destroy one side or the other while enticing people to actually switch. it doesn't have to be permanent , but you guys were a little late to a problem everyone saw coming from miles away.

I have similar thoughts on the issue, and yes, we were.

[Delenis]

changing, deleting, and altering racials is a terrible idea and takes this even closer to fun-server than it already is. cheaper mounts means nothing when people can just take an extra day to hit 58 and have enough gold for a mount, or already have a 70. changing the server to PvE keeps you from getting ganked, but getting killed while questing is a fraction of the issue (less groups/guilds/PvE opportunities, terrible economy, 15k people competing for quests/resources) all of which will keep people from going ally.

increasing rep, or easing leveling is about the only incentive you can give that wont destroy one side or the other while enticing people to actually switch. it doesn't have to be permanent , but you guys were a little late to a problem everyone saw coming from miles away.

I think deleting racials is the best way for this game (And for every expansion). People who defend racials is because they like play with adventage. It's true that blizzard has never eliminated racials, and that is why they never has balanced factions (TBC and WOD are the main examples of how racials can literally destroys one side).
I know this server is blizzlike, but Faction imba can ruin the game experience, and close a faction will not solved the problem, because when they enable people to play horde again (and meanwhile there will be protests for not letting them choose the faction they want), alot of people will reroll horde for OP racials. Being sincere, eliminating the racials from game will not affect the game essence except for some crybabies who need adventage to win. It will make things more fair.

And remember: people will not play a faction for free mounts, pets or easy leveling. People want to play the OP faction for trying to be top 1 and feel superior in end game.

[Nokki]

Changing, deleting, and altering racials is what Blizzard does and is blizzlike so how is it a terrible idea?

There is a good example of how Blizzard dealt with WotF, the racial is still very powerful and the way to go but not as much game breaking. TBC has flaws, why would we keep flaws if there are effective and proven solutions from Blizzard themselves?

[Torlaan]

If anything it's gonna piss off the already max level Hordies that want their friends to make toons here and can't, I feel like we're going to see more ganks now.

Prepare to be boarded fellas, the Horde is coming to our leveling zones to stomp us out. :(

Coming for? They've been there since at least day 3.

[Obnoxious]

increasing rep, or easing leveling is about the only incentive you can give that wont destroy one side or the other while enticing people to actually switch. it doesn't have to be permanent , but you guys were a little late to a problem everyone saw coming from miles away.

I personally think the other way. The problem isn't that no one wants to play Alliance. In fact, many people openly say they would prefer to play that, but give up because of the overwhelming Horde population, making it so too many people playing Horde to be the real problem. You deal with that by limiting how many people can play on that side, like we did by closing character creation, and with faction-based queues, as is being likely already being tested for technical feasibility. Giving Alliance bribes is just creating a new problem that won't solve in any way the current one, which isn't racials or whatever, but being constantly ganked by huge numbers - if you think I'm wrong, count how many people complain "Alliance isn't worth it, I keep losing to Horde in a fair balanced fight" and how many say "Alliance isn't worth it, I keep getting ganked by 5-10-20 Hordes."

[Angererx]

I personally think the other way. The problem isn't that no one wants to play Alliance. In fact, many people openly say they would prefer to play that, but give up because of the overwhelming Horde population, making it so too many people playing Horde to be the real problem. You deal with that by limiting how many people can play on that side, like we did by closing character creation, and with faction-based queues, as is being likely already being tested for technical feasibility. Giving Alliance bribes is just creating a new problem that won't solve in any way the current one, which isn't racials or whatever, but being constantly ganked by huge numbers - if you think I'm wrong, count how many people complain "Alliance isn't worth it, I keep losing to Horde in a fair balanced fight" and how many say "Alliance isn't worth it, I keep getting ganked by 5-10-20 Hordes."

it is really tragic to witness that the motivation for you to implement that ridiculous restriction was a dozen of forum crybabies that are like 0.01% of server population which may just ruin the game experience for a huge number of people

[Obnoxious]

it is really tragic to witness that the motivation for you to implement that ridiculous restriction was a dozen of forum crybabies that are like 0.01% of server population which may just ruin the game experience for a huge number of people

It's much more tragic that you are either blind or intentionally downplaying the imbalance happening in game with the difference in population and the fact Horde seems to have a major focus in using that advantage to overwhelm and harass Alliance, thinking that your inability to create alts or bring even more people to make the problem worse is more "ruining" than what happens to people who would like to play Alliance.

[soggius]

I personally think the other way. The problem isn't that no one wants to play Alliance. In fact, many people openly say they would prefer to play that, but give up because of the overwhelming Horde population, making it so too many people playing Horde to be the real problem. You deal with that by limiting how many people can play on that side, like we did by closing character creation, and with faction-based queues, as is being likely already being tested for technical feasibility. Giving Alliance bribes is just creating a new problem that won't solve in any way the current one, which isn't racials or whatever, but being constantly ganked by huge numbers - if you think I'm wrong, count how many people complain "Alliance isn't worth it, I keep losing to Horde in a fair balanced fight" and how many say "Alliance isn't worth it, I keep getting ganked by 5-10-20 Hordes."

Honestly if this is the kind of mindet behind the scenes here it is very disheartening, Warmane staff need to realise that imbalance itself is not the root of the issues here, it is a symptom that has arisen from the main cause, which is racials, as has been said time and time again, Horde is flat out better in both pve and pvp environments and people feel like either a) they want these better racials to min/max or b) they need these racials or they will be playing at a disadvantage compared to those who do.

treating the imbalance with queues, faction locking or whatever else, will not solve the issue, as horde is still a better faction, and many people will simply stop playing than roll alliance, as what your doing doesn't make horde any less attractive or alliance more attractive, its simply limits how many people get to play the better faction and trying to fix the server this way won't work as again imbalance is due to racials and the faction offering advantages over the other.

what needs to be done is remove all racials outside of pala and priest specific ones, and then everything is a level playing field in both pve and pvp, and i can assure you the people who cry foul about this if they were to be honest about why they are against it 90% of them would be made up of undead or orc players and its plain to see.

truthfully you need to gut all the racials so pve and pvp is on an even playing field and then relaunch the server with an eye out for locking factions temporarily until things are balanced.

without racials many more people would feel like they have a choice instead of pressure to pick the right combo to min max or face picking them self into a disadvantage.

[Waytodawn]

What about disabling open world pvp until lvl 65 so you can atleast lvl somewhat savely. Maybe only for a period of time till the issue has been resolved.

[Obnoxious]

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I'm just going to quote this guy who seems to be among the few who actually gets it:

For 80-90 % of the population of the server, the racials will not make a difference in the sense that their skill drags them back way more than the lack of WotF or Blood Fury or Hardiness or Berserker or Arcane Torrent would. Going horde for slight advantages in monster slaying or playing vs fear comps is stupid imo. Yes, sure, the hardcore people who want to min/max their experience will obviously go to the faction that gives them the slightest of advantages, but I have to agree to the mods, the herd instinct is strong with the horde.

The problem aren't the racials, but people's perception that they will make some mystical uber difference for everyone, which leads to a cattle mentality-based population swell. The imbalance doesn't comes from the racials, but from so many people claiming they are so much more powerful and will drastically affect the gameplay of everyone and so many people listening; after that base is set and the population is larger, people just go with the flow and take the option that generates less hassle, which is just amplified by how Horde makes a point to gather and try to cripple the advancement of Alliance players.

What about disabling open world pvp until lvl 65 so you can atleast lvl somewhat savely. Maybe only for a period of time till the issue has been resolved.

That has been brought up, but from my understanding it's a solution the Administration wants to avoid and set as "last resort" along with bribes or custom changes.

[miloshj]

I would like to address to few things. I did move one of my chars to alliance and what i get? No flight paths open (and man i did walk to get some of them),some of my gear was horde only example Tranquilen gear so i lost it....my friend had name that include orc in it and now hes night elf and he hates it. As i remember faction change on wotlk works different you can re customize everything including name. He asked GM got answer empty mail.
Im strongly against things like free dual spec and things that can help ingame that much there will be opposite imbalance than. I would recommend things like let alliance have all flight paths open when they come from horde,that would not affect game much but helps in lvling,give them mount maybe thats not to much and maybe some vanity items. All in all things that dont affect gameplay to much. And that only when you transfer from horde and horde must be lets say 30 lvl...
Next I would agree with javinoborrarr all servers i played including retail,molten... had more alliance than horde,maybe not in this numbers but it was hard to get in bg when you are alliance because lots of them in que while in horde bg would pop instant not to mention wining rate since most of donors were humans because of trinket... Lvling was also hard since i was ganked by alliance all the time.
Spent over 90% of time playing horde in last lets say 10 years it was awkward when i was in alliance i felt like i dont belong there.
So i would like to appeal to all those humans if you were that race choose them now again dont look that they dont have that racial trinket anymore,stay with your alliance and let us hordies be hordies. Dont be sellouts now you all come to horde,suddenly no one ever played alliance no matter all servers had more of them....
Thanks for understanding regards from Trta from Outland
This is copy paste from one of other topics but can input here also