WotLK Random or not? Arena Queue 4.8k GS vs. 6.3k GS players.

[Skuddy]

Duels have been the most imbalanced and unfun form of competitive PvP in any expansion and patch of WoW. The game is balanced around 3v3 and that's it. A warrior will just lose against a blood dk if the gear difference is less than 2k gs, nothing to do about that. This shows that you have no damn clue what PvP is about. And I am really sorry that I shared my opinion in a forum that is specifically designed to do so.

notice i said you could pick who to duel. meaning you could pick everything in your favor and what you classify as fair. you don't get to do that for arena/bg's nor should you be able to. voice your opinion all you like, but don't think you're going to not get **** on when all your doing is whining.

What would you say if warmane announced crossrealm bgs between cataclysm and icecrown to prevent that server from getting taken down? would be a similar feeling in the bg just even worse. I could sit on lordaeron, browse the forums and reply to every icecrown complaint: "GIT GUD LUL"

assuming that cata players would be lvl 80 and only have access to the same gear i'd have 0 issue with it. cause they'd be in the same gear i'd have the ability to get.

I somehow have the feeling that you would react very different if warmane announced that they patched YOUR fun out of the game. You, my friend, are the embodiment of pure hypocrisy

i'd either deal with it, find something else to do, or move to a different server entirely (which i have actually done several times). whining like a little ***** wouldn't help anything.

[Allylilith]

I already told you world is not fair, sorry to burst your bubble. That don't mean you cant catch up to other players. Early you propose to have donor only brackets. Even if Warmane accept that idea, you will still have to play against non-donor players form Blackrock, something that you now also complain about and call it unfair. This is why Skuddy said people like you will always find a reason to whine about something.

And I already told you why your mindset is the worst one could have.
Blackrock players might aswell stay their own bracket, bgs were awesome on old blackrock without smourne etc. It wouldn't be fair to mix them with non donors.
And I would agree that I always find something to whine about, but this is a necessary strength if you want to improve something which is already good. If you stop whenever something is "Good enough" you'll get stuck in mediocrity and there would be nothing truly great (like the early expansions of WoW) on this world. Once again: you just have the mindset of a loser
Nothing is more useless than ignoring issues if you want something to get better.
I am sorry for pointing out weaknesses of the new system and offering solutions for them

[Skoobydoo]

And I already told you why your mindset is the worst one could have.

That is your own opinion, there is people who prefer to be more realistic and don't think world is a fairy tail.
I think people like you are the worst one, because you pretend to be all about fairness, but only till it suit you. There is starving kids all around the world while you are playing games, if you care so much about fairness and wanna improve the world why don't you sell your PC and donate the money to this kids?

Blackrock players might aswell stay their own bracket, bgs were awesome on old blackrock without smourne etc. It wouldn't be fair to mix them with non donors.

Yes but they seem to be OK with current situation. It seem to me the best option is simple to remove Lordearon from the bracket, since you are only one who is whining.

And I would agree that I always find something to whine about, but this is a necessary strength

OMG you are a child or someone with little to no life experience, i just realize that. When you find a job try whining all day to improve your situation, see how that goes.

[Allylilith]

notice i said you could pick who to duel. meaning you could pick everything in your favor and what you classify as fair. you don't get to do that for arena/bg's nor should you be able to. voice your opinion all you like, but don't think you're going to not get **** on when all your doing is whining.



assuming that cata players would be lvl 80 and only have access to the same gear i'd have 0 issue with it. cause they'd be in the same gear i'd have the ability to get.



i'd either deal with it, find something else to do, or move to a different server entirely (which i have actually done several times). whining like a little ***** wouldn't help anything.

Picking who to duel is never fair either, because I do not know who is sitting on the other side of the screen. I do not enjoy stomping people who have the same gear as me but aren't great pvp players. The mmr system has always done a great job at finding challenging and fun pvp matchups in the past. I am I not whining (notice: I am on your ****ing side regarding this forum post, I do NOT want gear brackets in arena)

Well cata merge would mean that they are lvl 85 and the average player of that server is just x times better than the average player from icecrown (exactly how it is now with the merge minus the level difference)

And if you do not complain if you dislike something I do honestly pity you. I am not here to tell you how to live your life but always just adapting or running away from problems might not be the most fulfilling thing to do. And again: there is a distinct difference between whining, giving feedback and pointing out the obvious.

Would it be whining if you told someone that lvl 85 vs 80 in bgs wasn't fair? Or would it be pointing out the obvious? Cata players would have loved that change and it wouldn't have affected winrates, so 100% good change, right? I mean you can always just quit if you don't like it

[Skuddy]

Picking who to duel is never fair either, because I do not know who is sitting on the other side of the screen. I do not enjoy stomping people who have the same gear as me but aren't great pvp players. The mmr system has always done a great job at finding challenging and fun pvp matchups in the past. I am I not whining (notice: I am on your ****ing side regarding this forum post, I do NOT want gear brackets in arena)

Well cata merge would mean that they are lvl 85 and the average player of that server is just x times better than the average player from icecrown (exactly how it is now with the merge minus the level difference)

And if you do not complain if you dislike something I do honestly pity you. I am not here to tell you how to live your life but always just adapting or running away from problems might not be the most fulfilling thing to do. And again: there is a distinct difference between whining, giving feedback and pointing out the obvious.

Would it be whining if you told someone that lvl 85 vs 80 in bgs wasn't fair? Or would it be pointing out the obvious? Cata players would have loved that change and it wouldn't have affected winrates, so 100% good change, right? I mean you can always just quit if you don't like it

one small difference there, 85 gear is 100x better than 80 gear. the gear you can get on lord is the same as the gear i can get on icecrown. i just get it faster. that's the only reason your whining. someone got their gear faster than you and you don't like fighting them. boo hoo ****ing baby.

and i don't waste my time complaining. i take my business else where. if warmane changed things everytime someone complained about it they'd be running 255 fun servers with instant max level, custom 1 shot gear and **** knows what else.

[Allylilith]

That is your own opinion, there is people who prefer to be more realistic and don't think world is a fairy tail.
I think people like you are the worst one, because you pretend to be all about fairness, but only till it suit you. There is starving kids all around the world while you are playing games, if you care so much about fairness and wanna improve the world why don't you sell your PC and donate the money to this kids?



Yes but they seem to be OK with current situation. It seem to me the best option is simple to remove Lordearon from the bracket, since you are only one who is whining.



OMG you are a child or someone with little to no life experience, i just realize that. When you find a job try whining all day to improve your situation, see how that goes.

I build my PC for less than 300euros a few years ago and help whereever I can and always want fairness, even if it hurts myself, but this is really unrelated to the topic. You are the one who ignores unfairness because it works in your favour, not me.

Log into Blackrock and repeat that. On no other server have I seen more whining and *****ing because of this change than on Blackrock. We lost all our cool extra features like morphs and free faction/race change. Horde characters are litterally useless now and shadowmourne ruins the balance of bgs and arenas. We now get invites into crap bgs no PvP player likes (IOC and strand), we lost all our transmog and can no longer mog plate into cloth and Honor is litterally useless etc. These are only some of the complaints you will hear when playing over there


Unlike other people I do not want a job where someone tells me what to do 24/7 I prefer to get into a position where I can decide or at least give feedback on the functioning within the company. This mindset has often made life hard for me but eventually it always paid out, but again, we are more than off topic here

[Allylilith]

one small difference there, 85 gear is 100x better than 80 gear. the gear you can get on lord is the same as the gear i can get on icecrown. i just get it faster. that's the only reason your whining. someone got their gear faster than you and you don't like fighting them. boo hoo ****ing baby.

and i don't waste my time complaining. i take my business else where. if warmane changed things everytime someone complained about it they'd be running 255 fun servers with instant max level, custom 1 shot gear and **** knows what else.

Yeah someone getting gear faster than me with litterally no downsides is the definition of unfairness. There is no way you are blind enough to not realize that.

There is a difference between listening to feedback and letting players run your business. The point of suggestions is to give the warmane stuff input that they can sort for themselves into useful and crap ideas. I do not expect them to change the game just because I do not like something. I just want to point out the unfairness and show the reasons for all those complaints. If many people have the same complaint and suggestions to fix something it might be worth considering. I hate it how you and scoobydoo keep playing the "I am a ****** and have no clue what you are talking about and can't grasp the basic principles of how life works or what the use of a forum is" card. I shouldn't have to explain you this. All I wrote so far was nothing than OBVIOUS FACTS, I have no clue how both of you still manage to disagree with reality, it's really mindblowing

[Skuddy]

Yeah someone getting gear faster than me with litterally no downsides is the definition of unfairness. There is no way you are blind enough to not realize that.

There is a difference between listening to feedback and letting players run your business. The point of suggestions is to give the warmane stuff input that they can sort for themselves into useful and crap ideas. I do not expect them to change the game just because I do not like something. I just want to point out the unfairness and show the reasons for all those complaints. If many people have the same complaint and suggestions to fix something it might be worth considering. I hate it how you and scoobydoo keep playing the "I am a ****** and have no clue what you are talking about and can't grasp the basic principles of how life works or what the use of a forum is" card. I shouldn't have to explain you this. All I wrote so far was nothing than OBVIOUS FACTS, I have no clue how both of you still manage to disagree with reality, it's really mindblowing

unfair would be if you didn't have the choice of playing on the same server and getting your gear just as quickly. you however chose to play on a 1x server. after cross realm was announced you chose to stay on a 1x server and limit yourself. that is no ones fault but your own.

[Skoobydoo]

I build my PC for less than 300euros a few years ago and help whereever I can and always want fairness, even if it hurts myself, but this is really unrelated to the topic. You are the one who ignores unfairness because it works in your favour, not me.

Your only argument so far is that cross-realm system is unfair to you, so this is very related to the topic.
You are the one who early said " world is unfair" if bull**** and you have to always try to make it more fair and my mentality is the worst possible. 300 Euros will feed kid in Somalia for few years, but you chose to spend them for PC and play video game. How is that fair?

Log into Blackrock and repeat that. On no other server have I seen more whining and *****ing because of this change than on Blackrock. We lost all our cool extra features like morphs and free faction/race change. Horde characters are litterally useless now and shadowmourne ruins the balance of bgs and arenas. We now get invites into crap bgs no PvP player likes (IOC and strand), we lost all our transmog and can no longer mog plate into cloth and Honor is litterally useless etc. These are only some of the complaints you will hear when playing over there

O you represent the Blackrock community as well now, not only Lord. You are all over the place buddy.

Unlike other people I do not want a job where someone tells me what to do 24/7 I prefer to get into a position where I can decide or at least give feedback on the functioning within the company. This mindset has often made life hard for me but eventually it always paid out, but again, we are more than off topic here

Well i wish you good luck with that. I will like to hear your opinion again in few years when you grow up and face the real world.

You should put that you don't wanna be told what to do and want your feedback to be hear in your first job interview, companies and employers love to hear stuff like that.

[Mydnight91]

The better option is 1. Leave server, because play against ******ed donators buying stuff/buying at NPC.
2. Split Blackrock and Icecrown, and let Lordaeron blizzlike, no matter queue but more balanced.
I have like 5k GS PvE and i got OS by every shadowmourne Arena/bg ( like 4 5 shadowmourne same time per bgs )

[Allylilith]

unfair would be if you didn't have the choice of playing on the same server and getting your gear just as quickly. you however chose to play on a 1x server. after cross realm was announced you chose to stay on a 1x server and limit yourself. that is no ones fault but your own.

So you are basically telling me that lordaeron is not at a disadvantage since I can abandon my char there and go to the pay to win server myself? that has got to be the stupidest thing I've heard in a long time. This cures the symptoms and not the problem

[Allylilith]

Your only argument so far is that cross-realm system is unfair to you, so this is very related to the topic.
You are the one who early said " world is unfair" if bull**** and you have to always try to make it more fair and my mentality is the worst possible. 300 Euros will feed kid in Somalia for few years, but you chose to spend them for PC and play video game. How is that fair?



O you represent the Blackrock community as well now, not only Lord. You are all over the place buddy.



Well i wish you good luck with that. I will like to hear your opinion again in few years when you grow up and face the real world.

You should put that you don't wanna be told what to do and want your feedback to be hear in your first job interview, companies and employers love to hear stuff like that.

Donating the little bit of money I have atm to somalia will not benefit them in any way. This also just cures the symptoms and not the problems. First of all: most of the money will get "lost" on the way there and the amount that actually reaches a family in need of it is ridiculous. Second: It's never good when one country is dependant on another one in the long run. If we throw money at poor countries, we only make their problem of overpopulation worse and worse until we can't afford it anymore, and then they are just ****ed harder that they'd ever been without out help in the first place, but we can't get any further off topic than this.

May I beg your pardon for playing on 3 different servers? I really like Blackrock and lordaeron, so I like playing both of them and espacially listening to the opinion of both communities in global. Nice dodge of the actual question again

People tell me that since 15+ years and I never actually changed my opinion on that topic, you'll not be the one to change my view of a fair environment being fairer than a unfair one. I look at it like this: A company that still wants me regardless of this, is a company I gladly work for my whole life, while I'll not get happy in another one. It's a great way to filter without wasting time, but we are greatly off topic again. I tend to convince people by actually being good, rather than crawling up their asses, but this is of course not an option everyone has. I really appreciate it when someone who is smarter or more experienced than me gives me advice, but I hate it if a ****** tells me what/how to do when I am clearly doing it better

[Skuddy]

So you are basically telling me that lordaeron is not at a disadvantage since I can abandon my char there and go to the pay to win server myself? that has got to be the stupidest thing I've heard in a long time. This cures the symptoms and not the problem

you're choosing to be at a disadvantage. a self inflicted problem that can easily be fixed.

[Allylilith]

you're choosing to be at a disadvantage. a self inflicted problem that can easily be fixed.

wrong. warmane decided to set me at a disadvantage with this merge. I really don't understand how you can still keep denying the obvious. I don't think there is any sense in even replying to you.
Do you lead a pet shop btw? That parrot is dead

[masec95]

things change. don't like it, go find a server that suits you.

Well that attitude is really harmful if you ask me,. otherwise you're just pointing out that warmane staff doesn't make polls to ask their players for new implementations and tweaks, or that warmane doesn't care about this server and they just see everyone as walking wallets, which in fact, they do care, that's why if someone complains about a donor there will always be someone else saying "well, thanks to him we have this glorious based masterpiece of server".

Is it fair? no. are they a necessary evil? Sure they are.

That's what makes these kind of arguings so pointless and neverending