Hi,
I was wondering what the reason is that we're not allowed to know whether the person we reported breaks the rules or not (or if he/she gets banned). We only get the standard answer "we will investigate" and then you have no idea whether you did wrong, they did wrong or anything.
I'm also wondering what's the deal behind not being able to restore items. It's not a game restriction and there's clearly proof that you won it.
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Question regarding ninja banning process
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If you report them in the first place without even knowing if they ninjad or not you're better off not reporting and learning how to do so beforehand. You shouldn't report people without proper evidence (which is explained in detail in ninja looting rules section) in the first place so expecting GMs to tell you how to properly report and why/if the evidence you provided is ninja looting would waste so much time tickets would take even longer than they are now. Default answer "We will check your proof" is a time saver, nothing more.
Big deal about restoring items is because ninjas keep the item. They would inject extra items into the playerbase with no raids/drops to back it up. Also, restoring items and mailing them to every player that gets ninja looted would also be a massive time waste. Blizzard didn't restore items lost during ninja looting, so why should Warmane? They're removing the player from the game temporarily, that should be enough.
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It sure is convenient to tell half-truths. No, Blizzard doesn't restore items lost during ninja looting, but do they even punish ninjas like Warmane does? No, they don't. The community does by spamming in /global.
This ninja ban system is flawed, and I'm sure many ninjas are actually able to bypass it withouth getting punished, while others know how to fool GM's into banning innocent players, which as I already stated, was my case.
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I think you missed your thread where you moan about getting ninja looting ban.
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It's very subjective sometimes. I've been here a long time, longer than you and I still think it's very unclear. This time I lost a staff as a healer because it had crit on and the raid leader thought "that's not the best stat for you". Losing an item because it's not the absolute best for you is just ridiculous when it's a great item for you. The rules for "MS>OS" are getting insane when suddenly something not being your best item means it's not MS for you.
What I want is feedback from staff regarding reports.
Regarding that, ninjas obviously shouldn't keep the item, that's like allowing a rober keep the loot and just get to suffer the punishment. Imagine robbing a bank for a couple of mils, getting 5 years prison then when you get out you're rich. Doesn't make sense.
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Well, you should've gotten the staff nonetheless. Personally, I haven't seen anyone lose an item because it had 3rd best stat over say 2nd best stat in a raid. I'd bet the dude would get banned for not giving you the staff if you made a report since that IS MS>OS.
Feedback is very rarely given as I stated previously. It might be given in very specific cases and by certain GMs. I know that I had one dude need a BoE item for "OS" when nobody else needed it and I got a custom reply from a GM stating that "since nobody else with spec priority over the item needed it I won't consider it ninja looting". Then there's GMs that would ban that in a heart beat. You can't expect every single GM to be the same and think the same. They're people after all.
I agree that ninjas shouldn't keep the item, but keep in mind Blizzard didn't remove items from ninjas and neither did they ban them. Warmane had to find a point where they would do enough to control the ninja situtation (which is different here than on Blizzard since cheaper name changes and free accounts) without being too strict and too controling. It's a game after all and they shouldn't be able to control everything people do in it. Putting in too much effort into individual cases would mean esentially mean overloading themselves with tickets and requests. Restoring/deleting items from ninjas, restoring items because somebody sold it, manually replying to people who can't use the bugtracker to check for bugs and you'd soon have an overload on GMs and tickets taking a week atleast to be read and replied to.Edited: June 6, 2020
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I think you being here all day, commenting on all posts, while daydreaming about becoming a Mod and blindly defending GM's actions is dulling your reasoning. If you wanna compare this server's procedures to the official ones when it suits you, atleast be ready for someone do to the exact same against you.
And yes, I'm upset about being banned after grinding so hard for a couple weeks. I'm upset that no one will explain me what I did wrong, even no one in-game accused me of being a ninja.
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I understand that coming to forum for the first time just to complain and navigating through all of these threads seems intimidating to you so here: http://forum.warmane.com/showthread....26#post3060126
Read my reply again.
Might I also notice that your initial QQ thread has been deleted because you broke the in-game rules only to come to forums and break even more?Edited: June 6, 2020
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It was never my intention to get the staff's attention. In my deleted post, I explicitly talked to the community, while exposing (my version of) what happened, hoping someone would be nice enough to try to understand both both mine and the GM's perspective. But no, all I got was "nah, the GM's don't make mistakes", "your ban was not unfair, so shut up", "just make a ban appeal and stop whining", etc (yourself included).
But you're right, it seems I can't get people to answer me politely without causing a drama.
And sorry if I hit your nerve, dude. Have a nice day! :)
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Don't worry, takes a lot more than that pitiful attempt to do so :) Bye bye now
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Right? You can always bet you can never know which bothers me insanely. In addition to that there's no unity between how the GM handles cases.
Either way, hope the guy got banned. I was shocked to see the guy who got it continue to argue that "it's a dps staff". The amount of close-minded min/maxing on this server blows my mind.
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You can add him to your friend list. If he shows up within 30 days he didn't get banned sadly. You could try opening a new ticket and hope for a different GM to open it and see what he thinks of it, if you provided correct evidence that is. Sending a private message to a head GM here on the forum could also work.
Edited: June 6, 2020
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than pm a staff member. this section is for players to help players. staff rarely comment here.
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The thing about ninjas on retail, the main way to avoid them was publicly announcing, so people know to avoid that person.
The issue about it, on warmane that thing is against the rules, while the reasons for that rule are obvious, it is making it harder to protect yourself against ninja raidleaders.
So punishing ninjas is kinda the main way to protect the playerbase, and because it goes with the 30d -> 60d -> perm punishment, some raid leaders might be thinking it's worth it getting 30d on 1 account for a specific item, because the item do not get deleted.
That why I think deleting the ninjaed item has to be part of the punishment.
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Got some kind of response. You'll always be curious as to what "has been taken care of " means but hoping it is the 60 day that is in the policy.
Atleast a better answer than "we will investigate" anyways. Thanks GM Cairner.
