Multiboxing now banned on retail

[termsofpriv]

I don't think I've ever said "oneshot" for a 5 man multiboxer, did I?

That's key, an actual premade actually requires effort in coordinating the players, while the multiboxer can just login with his entire team, spam key 1 with moonfire or lava burst and oneshot any player that approaches him. Boom, 90% win rate. Very nice.

This was you talking about the 5-7 boxer in BG and EOS

And you literally said in other post, he can one shots people one-by-one, you got lucky it got deleted. But even if it didnt you would come up with just another blank excuse and deflect again.

So? same results of mine, and if you read my previous comment more carefully it already consider everything you've written here. I'm pretty used to seeing every excuse breing brought up every time, so I just tend to anticipate them.

You started with 5 man oneshotting players one by one.

You couldnt back it up so you switched up.

Then you said 20 dmg boxer with 5600 gs can oneshot 1200 resil dk.

I literally did the math and proved you wrong, good anticipation on your part.

Correct, but it still means 5 grounding per shaman (assuming only one per party is being targeted), and it's not a situation that players are used - and honesty not even meant by the game - to deal with.

Nobody boxes 25 shamans, realistically u have 3-4 shamans per group.

So if there are 3-4 shamans in group in battleground they are basically breaking the game and it has never ever happened before?

This said, I won't comment on this thread futher. I've said what I had to say and I thank the moderators for letting me, and everyone else, do so. Even if there have been in the past a lot of uncivil and insult-based arguings about this topic, I think that a civil discussion from the players cannot but benefit the game and I think it should be seen as a positive thing.

Makes sense, took you 20 posts to actually post something tangible and it got proved wrong instantly.

I have 75-230 spell pen on my teams,
so i don't know who you're thinking of when you say we can't

Stamina is better in every single situation outside of playing boomkins vs syndragosa trinket.

[SabDK]

It's kinda funny seeing a multiboxer commenting on how only a minority of people is against multiboxing on Warmane, or stating that it's only one guy and his '5 hater friends' who are against it. Makes me wonder what Server you play on if that's an actual serious statement.

I personally have not come across a single person on any of Warmanes Servers to speak positively about multiboxers, except multiboxers themselfs. In fact, I experienced entire guilds ranting on multiboxing in guild chats whenever they come across one of them. Be it in world pvp, bg's or simply idleing in a major city. All I see is hate and disrespect towards their way of playing this game. Not only within guilds, but also in general chat (which I rarely even read). Obviously I can't back it up as I don't take any screenshots or videos of it, so you can simply believe it or not.

That being said, I'm glad Warmane took a step in the right direction and capped multiboxing to 25 characters, even tho I personally would go even further and entirely ban them from taking part in any PvP activity whatsoever.

Cheers

[mier]

Here some footage of how much AoE dmg a single player can pull off against a multiboxer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW4H..._channel=Zeorg
After 14 sec 3 toons are dead even though the boxer poped AMZ and healed with 3 resto druides.
Stats of the boxer: 1339 resilience and almost 29k HP.

[Winryi]

If multiboxing is op, why not take their tactic, and use it against them? Stack your BG/WG team and go brrrrr

[mier]

If multiboxing is op, why not take their tactic, and use it against them? Stack your BG/WG team and go brrrrr

Well, just imagine what happens when 25 randoms use their AoE abilitys against a 25 man boxer. The boxer dies in the blink of an eye.
Combine that with AoE CC such as http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=46968, http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=47847, http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=25046 and all 25 toons can't do anything for +10 sec.
Sadly most randoms are too stupid to pull that off because they don't communicate. Usually they attack one by one which makes it quite easy for the boxer.

[Pidgeonlord]

Stamina is better in every single situation outside of playing boomkins vs syndragosa trinket.

For maximum efficiency the basic spell pen requirement is recommended, unless you love having spells resisted and such.

If you have a lock in your team that has the purpose of stunning other boxers or just stun in general and you don't gem spell pen on it, your aoe stun will get resisted at times. Same for my DK team, if they didn't have spell pen, I would risk getting dmg reduced on howling blasts or resisting Hungering Cold.

These are just 2 examples, I could give more.

If you value stam over spell pen, sure go for it but I wouldn't tell others they are worthless, because they aren't.

[mier]

You should get at least 75 spell pen. Otherwise you lose a huge amount of dmg. Even when the opponent doesn't fully resist your spell you deal like 10-20% less dmg on smbd who just has http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=69381.

Before you even think about Stam gems you should get at least 1414 resilience which is the soft cap. Personally I never stacked stam gems on my 7sham 3rdudu team because in full wrath gear I survive good enough. Might be a different story when you box only boomkins with no dedicated healers.
My main has 1423 res and 29k HP http://armory.warmane.com/character/...ecrown/summary
Slaves 1250 res and 26,6k HP http://armory.warmane.com/character/...ecrown/summary
Never had any issue that toons died in burst before I was able to heal.
In some way SP and haste are actually also defensive stats because they increase your heal. For expl I find http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50348 and http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=54588 extremly powerful because they boost the healing of chainheal like crazy when the shamis have to off heal on AoE heavy fights.
If I'd replace these trinkets with two stam trinkets and stack up stam gems then I'd probably die faster because I heal much less and despite that I'd also deal less dmg.

[termsofpriv]

You should get at least 75 spell pen. Otherwise you lose a huge amount of dmg. Even when the opponent doesn't fully resist your spell you deal like 10-20% less dmg on smbd who just has http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=69381.

Before you even think about Stam gems you should get at least 1414 resilience which is the soft cap. Personally I never stacked stam gems on my 7sham 3rdudu team because in full wrath gear I survive good enough. Might be a different story when you box only boomkins with no dedicated healers.
My main has 1423 res and 29k HP http://armory.warmane.com/character/...ecrown/summary
Slaves 1250 res and 26,6k HP http://armory.warmane.com/character/...ecrown/summary
Never had any issue that toons died in burst before I was able to heal.
In some way SP and haste are actually also defensive stats because they increase your heal. For expl I find http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50348 and http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=54588 extremly powerful because they boost the healing of chainheal like crazy when the shamis have to off heal on AoE heavy fights.
If I'd replace these trinkets with two stam trinkets and stack up stam gems then I'd probably die faster because I heal much less and despite that I'd also deal less dmg.

There is 35 spell pen enchant on cloak which is already enough to counter mark of the wild.

With this enchant mark of the wild is around 10% damage reduction and 20% if they have resist totems or aura. Shamans also have 3 different types of damage.

The extra dmg could be relevant for 10 boxing but not for 25+ boxing.

The play style is wastly different and you cannot really compare 10 to 25+. If you are casting chain heal to survive as 25+ boxer you are not winning that fight anyway.


Chances are the extra stamina will be more relavant than overkilling for 10-20% more damage

[Pidgeonlord]

There is 35 spell pen enchant on cloak which is already enough to counter mark of the wild.

You need 75 spell pen to counter moftw not 35...

With this enchant mark of the wild is around 10% damage reduction and 20% if they have resist totems or aura. Shamans also have 3 different types of damage.

The extra dmg could be relevant for 10 boxing but not for 25+ boxing.

The play style is wastly different and you cannot really compare 10 to 25+. If you are casting chain heal to survive as 25+ boxer you are not winning that fight anyway.


Chances are the extra stamina will be more relavant than overkilling for 10-20% more damage

It's not only about damage numbers but also chances to get fully resisted....

Ofcourse it's relevant to 25 boxing, you are making no sense.

1200 HP is never gonna outweigh 135 spell pen, never ever. Unless you like to play like a clown :)

Most of the popular comps are advised to get 75-135 spell pen, DK teams, Spriest, Mage teams I would advise 135, Druid teams or Shaman teams I would advise atleast 75.

[mier]

There is 35 spell pen enchant on cloak which is already enough to counter mark of the wild.

With this enchant mark of the wild is around 10% damage reduction and 20% if they have resist totems or aura. Shamans also have 3 different types of damage.

The extra dmg could be relevant for 10 boxing but not for 25+ boxing.

The play style is wastly different and you cannot really compare 10 to 25+. If you are casting chain heal to survive as 25+ boxer you are not winning that fight anyway.


Chances are the extra stamina will be more relavant than overkilling for 10-20% more damage

Mark of the wild gives 75 resi because of http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=17051.

With the right gear + http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=26297 + http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=16166 you can cast chain heal in 1,5 sec. Even faster with bl. That in combination with double sp trinket proc makes the healing insane.

Assuming you are boxing 20 shami 5 rdudu abilitys hit as follow with my gear against a 1200 resilience target:
Flameshock: 1083 hit, 1538 crit with 20% crit chance. ~24k dmg on 20 shamis
Fire nova: ~38k dmg
Lb, lava, cl, cl first jump: All guarantee one shot
Cl second jump: ~32k dmg
Cl third jump: ~23k dmg

As you can see not all abilitys are a guaranteed one shot on 20 shamis and these calculations assume that all shamis are BiS.
The amount of SP is actually the deciding factor weither you kill 4 or just 2 opponents with CL. Also fire nova and flameshock less likely gonna one shot ppl when you have a low amount of SP.
In addition to that there are many opponents with over 1200 resilience and in the heat of the battle it's unlikely that all 20 shamis actually attack because there is always somebody in a cc, gets interrupted, faces the wrong direction, etc.

[liammy]

Yes i would also like to see a ban to multiboxing.
I currently play on Lordearon realm, and seen Multiboxers in both World PvP, Bgs and WG.

Its heavily discouraging to see, and driving new players away from sticking around on this server.
If you want new players rolling in and upkeep a healthy number of players, then you need to start listening to the players

I need go on "world chat" and ask what do you guys think of Multi-boxing? you'll be met with a very large response of negative comments.

I would suggest removing Multiboxing from PvP situations (Particularly on Lordearon) but allowing multiboxing PvE to continue as this will not disrupt normal players from having fun in PvP situations.

By the way, i see the same angry 5 mult-boxers, on any related forum getting very aggressive towards anyone that suggests a change needs to be made.

If something has a large negative affect on the community, which leads to a reduction; in population, over-all fun and ruining multiple PvP events. With an overall consensus by the majority of the community to see bans put in place, should be all you need to make a change.

You'll be left with a server full of multi-boxers if it does not change

[Skuddy]

You'll be left with a server full of multi-boxers if it does not change

doubtful. the majority of warmane seems to be pve based, they have no reason to give 2 ****s about boxers.

[mier]

You'll be left with a server full of multi-boxers if it does not change

Multibox haters predict since back on Molten that the boxers will over take the server and players gonna quit in masses.
I'm wondering when the doomsday will actually happen. Waiting for over 9 years now.

[MattS2010]

make warmane great again... ban those multiboxers

[gutripperr]

My Classic WoW Accounts are fine that Broadcast with Hardware, they didn't "Ban" Multiboxing

Edit: Another Boxer I know said he never got a Warning by Blizzard that has 5 Solid State Drives that have a Copy of WoW on Each of Them, but People that have all WoW Accounts from a Single Hard Drive seem to be getting the Warning. I believe he's using 5 Virtual Machines tho and Key cloning from his Main Comp