5 player limit - Multiboxing

[Baartleby2]

I would only advise you to read again my posts. We had to implement this today, because a group of multiboxers were making the realm reach peaks of 3000+ latency and the realm was either going to be entirely unstable or crash.

We do not do things without reason.

I seriously hope you consider permabanning all of the multiboxers who took part in that. This was done entirely on purpose. If making the server unplayable for thousands of people is not considered interfering with gameplay, I don't know what is.

[Kdizzle]

I would only advise you to read again my posts. We had to implement this today, because a group of multiboxers were making the realm reach peaks of 3000+ latency and the realm was either going to be entirely unstable or crash.

We do not do things without reason.

Absolutely more than reasonable.

[Fnx]

I would only advise you to read again my posts. We had to implement this today, because a group of multiboxers were making the realm reach peaks of 3000+ latency and the realm was either going to be entirely unstable or crash.

We do not do things without reason.

I think most would've been fine with 10man limitation to be honest. Then the PvE boxers could still do their thing they've done and enjoyed for several years

[Bedtimebear]

I think most would've been fine with 10man limitation to be honest. Then the PvE boxers could still do their thing they've done and enjoyed for several years

Word... 10 man PvE boxers arent doing anyone harm.

[Proterean]

I just put a couple hundred bucks into my computer last month, and finished leveling my 10man team literally 2 days ago. I guess my first 'solo' voa will already be my last ever 'solo' raid. I guess I'm lucky I waited a couple days to donate for queue skip, saves me 100$.
Any chance there will be exceptions for players who only do pve?

This is proof that all of these people really do not play PvE, and I am not referring to you, but the others in the post. Multiboxing limit is not enforced in raids. It was not enforced the first time either. It's just that nobody tried to load a 40 man team into Molten Core. You can continue to raid with multiboxing teams, including 25 character raids. (although with the new limit in mind, you will have to bring your teams there separately)

I will update the first post to make it more clear.

[Kdizzle]

@Obnoxious

Daddy why do you censor me so much?

[jhst65]

I would only advise you to read again my posts. We had to implement this today, because a group of multiboxers were making the realm reach peaks of 3000+ latency and the realm was either going to be entirely unstable or crash.

We do not do things without reason.

Reasons...

On the last episode of "Limiting Multiboxing Team Size", I told you that going to 25 was a mistake, 40 would've kept the trash boxers a bit in check and saved you a lot of spam reports.

If you decided to you could've done something smart like make a multiboxing license to create a barrier to entry against the TRASH boxers instead of dropping the heavy hammer on the good guys.
---Rules are made for the dregs of humanity at the expense of the good and the free.---

A license could've been paid for with "donations" and it could've been largely automated, but that would've taken a little front loaded work to accomplish.
Someone who purchased a license would need to follow all your rules or lose their investment. Money and dedication kept the trash away from multiboxing before. You can't make your players more dedicated to a craft, but you can make money a barrier to entry. Lowering the team size essentially requires no work or investment.

This new limit has nothing to do with computational power increase since the last limit imposition (in the midst of a global silicon shortage btw). For an example using AMD, going higher than Zen 2 essentially has no effect on anything above 10-15 clients. Create a system of licenses connected to accounts and you will have a really good and responsible multiboxing community sending you "donations" while you sleep.

If you ever did this it might require "sharing" some of those "donations" with someone who could watch over the multiboxing community but it would yield net "donation" profit.

With a license system in place it would be fine if you raised the limit to 25, you'd have no problems as long as you enforced your rules, which you would already have someone to do for you presumably. Hopefully they would also enforce anti-botting and anti-harassment rules which would stop the bad boxers anyway about half the time.

I'll hand it to you though, this new 5 slot limit should make you more "donations" than any other option. By lowering it to 5 you will encourage every toxic, trash ***** with a computer made since 2015 to try their hand at multiboxing. Before they give up, they will probably all "donate" a minimum of 50 Euros to skip queue and then a lot of them will psychologically find it cheap to invest further in the BiS gear since it's only 5 characters instead of 25. Smart move: do nothing, make money. That's the life

[Baartleby2]

Since when do they perma ban for interfering with gameplay? The most I've seen is 2 days.

This was beyond just normal interfering with gameplay. It was an organized tantrum made by several multiboxers in order to crash the server. If a player tried to DDOS the server somehow, and the admins figured out who it was and what his account was, you don't think he would get a permaban?

[Bedtimebear]

Greetings multiboxing community,

Previously, we have limited the multiboxing feature to 25 players. Now that we've observed how players fare with this limitation, and now we know what further limitations can be done, in order to ensure fairness. We understand that multiboxing is a legitimate playstyle but as we're moving into the future, like we've previously mentioned in the last thread, the hardware required to run large multiboxing teams is becoming more and more common. Gaming laptops of the last two years can run raid multiboxing teams and we've also seen an increase of multiboxing with the increase of power of computing, which is a natural correlation.

We also understand that it takes skill to be a multiboxer. Just setting up multiple programs and macros and making your set-up run normally requires a lot more than what a normal player does. We also understand that it is not easy to be a multiboxer, with both limitations of the battlegrounds that they have at their disposal and of course with the increased negativity of the community as of late. We know this, however, we also know that most multiboxing players generally have no issues when they're playing as most average players either have no strategies to combat them or are simply unable to fight at all.

We understand this, however with the increased power of computing, more and more are joining this playstyle. It is no longer a niche, that need not be controlled. And unfortunately, this also means that the bots are also making use of this playstyle, trying to accumulate more illegal game wealth in order to sell it later to the same players that they damage.

Therefore, with all of the data in mind, and in hope of ensuring both multiboxing to exist and to ensure at least some modicum of fairness in the gameplay, we will further limit multiboxing to 5 characters at a time. This change will go live on March 29, 2021.

Originally, the date was selected to be April 03, 2021 but had to be changed due to several teams of multiboxers who were impacting server performance on March 29, 2021. This does not include raid instances. You can continue to multibox within raid instances, up to the theoretical player limit of instances, which is 10, 25, 40.

Kind regards,
Warmane

I Assume multi boxers can get a refund on all their money spent? on accounts above 5 now?

[Urshalana]

This is proof that all of these people really do not play PvE, and I am not referring to you, but the others in the post. Multiboxing limit is not enforced in raids. It was not enforced the first time either. It's just that nobody tried to load a 40 man team into Molten Core. You can continue to raid with multiboxing teams, including 25 character raids. (although with the new limit in mind, you will have to bring your teams there separately)

I will update the first post to make it more clear.

No, you can't right now. The server just round-robin kicks you if you have more than 5. Just like how we got that fake "can't log in right now" message you guys used for months before on any box over 20. 20 logins then wait. Now it's 5 logins and can't log more at all.

[Shred]

I seriously hope you consider permabanning all of the multiboxers who took part in that. This was done entirely on purpose. If making the server unplayable for thousands of people is not considered interfering with gameplay, I don't know what is.

Multiboxers have been overprotected by the server staff for YEARS and that's how they thank them, lol

[Baartleby2]

Reasons...

On the last episode of "Limiting Multiboxing Team Size", I told you that going to 25 was a mistake, 40 would've kept the trash boxers a bit in check and saved you a lot of spam reports.

If you decided to you could've done something smart like make a multiboxing license to create a barrier to entry against the TRASH boxers instead of dropping the heavy hammer on the good guys.
---Rules are made for the dregs of humanity at the expense of the good and the free.---

A license could've been paid for with "donations" and it could've been largely automated, but that would've taken a little front loaded work to accomplish.
Someone who purchased a license would need to follow all your rules or lose their investment. Money and dedication kept the trash away from multiboxing before. You can't make your players more dedicated to a craft, but you can make money a barrier to entry. Lowering the team size essentially requires no work or investment.

This new limit has nothing to do with computational power increase since the last limit imposition (in the midst of a global silicon shortage btw). For an example using AMD, going higher than Zen 2 essentially has no effect on anything above 10-15 clients. Create a system of licenses connected to accounts and you will have a really good and responsible multiboxing community sending you "donations" while you sleep.

If you ever did this it might require "sharing" some of those "donations" with someone who could watch over the multiboxing community but it would yield net "donation" profit.

With a license system in place it would be fine if you raised the limit to 25, you'd have no problems as long as you enforced your rules, which you would already have someone to do for you presumably. Hopefully they would also enforce anti-botting and anti-harassment rules which would stop the bad boxers anyway about half the time.

I'll hand it to you though, this new 5 slot limit should make you more "donations" than any other option. By lowering it to 5 you will encourage every toxic, trash ***** with a computer made since 2015 to try their hand at multiboxing. Before they give up, they will probably all "donate" a minimum of 50 Euros to skip queue and then a lot of them will psychologically find it cheap to invest further in the BiS gear since it's only 5 characters instead of 25. Smart move: do nothing, make money. That's the life

Imagine typing all of this **** out, and then thinking you're one of the good guys. LOL. Just curious, what boxer are you?

[Obnoxious]

@Obnoxious

Daddy why do you censor me so much?

Because your and similar posts were nothing more than flame-baiting.

[angrylol]

Yeah, when I see 3 different mbx dudes in the same day few days in a row, there is something seriously wrong.

Multiboxing was "i dont care about this weird super rare thing", yea sucks to get blasted with some lame passive aoe, but whatever, kind of amazing to see someone sold their kidney to host all that. Only reason it was ever tolerated because it was so rare. Not because it's some legit way to play the game or whatever else made up fluff.

Now mboxers get to transmute their water to fire by 5 at a time, at least it's something.

[Proterean]

No, you can't right now. The server just round-robin kicks you if you have more than 5. Just like how we got that fake "can't log in right now" message you guys used for months before on any box over 20. 20 logins then wait. Now it's 5 logins and can't log more at all.

This is a part of a different defensive measure that's currently ongoing.

Once the defensive measure is turned off, you will be able to multibox in raid instances.