ninjas should be banned for at least 30 days, if repeat, then +30 days (30-60-90-etc days in total). Only the fear can reduce ninjas amount.
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Forum Veteran
Nah fam, you are wrong. Only personal loot can do something with ninjas. Because deleting item will backfire if "offender" turns out to be innocent. And many other things.
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Quick suggestion. What about a "Wall of shame" armory-esque website page, which also tracks name changes. Make it so it tracks character names (either the offending toon or all the toons on the account). So players can just do a quick check before they join someone's raid and see if the guy is a ninja (or a repeat offender if set to appear in the wall of shame after the second/third/etc. offense). Could also be a flag of their current armory, bypassing the need for an additional page.
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if evidences are 100%, I agree with you. They have to get permanent ban. But at most of the cases, there is not enough evidence. So this is really hard job.
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I get your point but if it was that easy then the issue would have been sorted out 1000s of years ago.
That definitely won't happen since we explicitly don't allow it on the forums already. I can't imagine that we would support it somewhere else.
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Again..ban lengths are good as they are. What they have to do is ban ALL of the accounts for the duration, not just single out of 10+. That's why people don't give a flying rat's *** and keep ninja. the forum moderator can compare this to blizzard, but unlike there, here you own unlimited amount of accounts and not paying subscription for any of them so yes..you can't compare rules/punishment there to the one you think you have "working" here
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I am aware public shaming and finger pointing isn't allowed. My idea was more of an automatic system tied to, perhaps, the account standing. You get banned twice for being a ninja - you automatically get that character and/or account flagged for everyone to see. No player/staff actions involved. Seeing how it is easier to create a new toon, level it and change your character name nowadays, people who ninja have various ways to sort of clear their name and do it again, even after being banned for it previously. An automatic database of people banned for it (repeatedly) and its public display may make them reconsider or make it a lot harder for them to form a raid and do it again once flagged. And forum rules can stay all the same - don't ruin someone else's reputation, because if what your stating is true, the dude would be on the list. If he's not - you're just throwing dirt instead of following the procedure to report them to the staff.
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I don't think anyone is actually using Blizzard as a reference for how our rules should work, there was just a mention that we're going further than they did in this patch. And yes, the ban lengths are fine as they are, they do increase for repeat offenders, if you do it enough times you start losing other accounts, and this thread really won't have any impact on how things work because that decision belongs to the head GM. Because of that I'm just going to lock this thread instead of entertaining it any further.
Characters are referred to by a GUID internally and the name is just for display by clients. Name changes are logged and GMs can see this. Players can even take advantage of the GUID system if someone wants to get creative with UnitGUID.
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How it being automatic somehow wouldn't clash with our policy to not allow "naming & shaming"?
It's about not wanting to condone or encourage that sort of thing, who's doing it is irrelevant.
Yes, I can. Despite whatever you say, the fact is retail had no punishment whatsoever for "ninja'g," and their eventual solution for it was copying personal loot, not going around banning. No matter how you want to twist it, we are already doing more than the monthly-fee version did about this.
