No defensive panic here officer, you don't need to psychoanalyze me like you're Freud. Im very upfront about my opinions and have been since the start of this thread, and as said I'm glad that you and OP agree with me: There is no inherent issue with the AFK system (as has always been my opinion) but rather there are players abusing systems who probably deserve to be reprimanded in some way. Another example of this is the RDF system, where the votekick can be abused by a small premade or the neutral auction house which sees a lot of abuse due to players selling items cheap back and forth from ally to horde and vice versa. The solution isn't removing both of these systems (which work well when not being abused) but to instead deal with the players abusing them.
I was in a premade last night. I don't know if you've read the thread because you start rambling about magic solutions and figuring out who is reporting said player. OP has actually said that he already knows who is reporting him: Specifically the people who are farming kills. Glad i could help and glad we could come to an agreement, always a pleasure seeing people understand the core of these issues.
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Well I'm glad you got that much figured out but have you considered that the OP can't actually obtain proof of anything for a report? Reports mean precisely jack **** without actual evidence and that has never amounted to someone's word.
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maybe if the server broadcast a message in chat indicating who reported who for afk, there will be fewer abusers, and will allow for reporting of such abuses with evidence.
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nah dog, i always cap and spam "idc gotta cap". it's hilarious cuz they have never managed to kick me lol
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I didn't talk about evidence, he did. If you are concerned about how OP knows who reported him then i would suggest asking him, concidering he is the one making that claim, not me. Strange to me that you are having this parallel conversation with me.
I agree that reports mean nothing without evidence, as it should. Glad we agree, again.
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One of the most amusing things you see moderating Forums around is people desperately trying to defend a status quo that favors them, even when clearly in the wrong. Just a random thought...
Anyway, it's true that there's nothing wrong with the AFK system - if it's taken on its own, outside any context. When you add in the premade factor that isn't true anymore, as those more than obviously abuse it to get rid of people in their side. Going with the premise that the AFK system is fine, it's a smooth segue to conclude that premades aren't. So, if reporting individually is inviable and the AKF system should remain the same, what would be left is dealing with premades instead, yes? Which, full disclosure, I'd personally be completely fine with.
As the chances that premades will be limited or made illegal might not be that big, unfortunately, it falls on one of the two other factors to be tweaked - that's plain being logical and honest, staying away from disingenuousity. Ideally, I'd say the best case scenario would be for it to be in the reporting. With targeted reports being unfeasible due to the lack of proof to finger someone specific, a premade-wide report would be great - they are in it together, they share the same punishment for abusing the feature. Any claims of "unfairness" are moot, since they are after all organized, often for a long time now, and everyone in one should be aware of their methods, likely adding their own vote for the AFK kick.
Barring that, it's the AFK system that requires adjustments, by elimination if nothing else, yes.
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I agree that the AFK system is fine and a must be per se, and also that reporting someone abusing it it's extremely hard or basically impossible.
How do you see increasing the number of people required to report someone afk only in AV? Would that be possible? I don't even know whats the number now, I think 5.
If they premade with 15 ppl, it's easily abusable, but if the number required is set to, let's say, 20, now they are forced to coordinate the whole premade group and convince someone else outside, making it way more harder to use it, even more spamming it.
Of course it would be harder to use it too in a legit way to report a real afk player, but I think it would also be easier to convince people to report a real afk, also bots are non-existent almost in AV, so I think it could be a fair price to resolve the issue
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The afk system forces players to partake in player combat within a minute, on repeat, which makes no sense. What if you're defending the flag? You can go an entire bg without any enemy trying to take your flag whilst being vigilant the entire time.
The afk system takes away from the pvp experience. Why not generate a gotcha captcha code to get rid of the bots instead?
Oh boohoo you died due to gotcha generated afk system? It's a lot better than being kicked I tell ya that.
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I've literally been kicked from BG's for simply joining the Battleground and being unable to kill or fight anyone for 60 seconds.
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Sounds as unbelievable as it could be, I havent play any BG here yet. But historically I played hundreds of AV or IoC and mostly in all of that games there were like 5-10min sequences without fighting anyone. In some of these games there was no fight at all. And you say that you could be kicked for guarding mine or rafinery? Are you serious?
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Afk system is garbage. let me join and fish in alterac valley, for i, see, am a pacifist. make love not warcraft
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it happened to me several times, i joined the BG and I was kicked out without a reason and then I remember got some sort of punishment 15 minutes or something....
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recently I joined a fresh av and it took forever, with both teams getting the other team low on resources through zerging. I was being graveyard camped with my team having like 20 resources left, so I decided to not feed and run as ghost to the next safe graveyard to get ressed there. before I got there, I got reported, got the debuff, got ressed and couldnt find anyone to attack, so I got kicked from the bg I was actively trying to win for like an hour, a minute or two before it ended without a way of avoiding it, other than making my team more likely to lose by letting myself get farmed.
it's not a flawless system
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i always instantly leave AV for this
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That was probably the automatic system, which I agree should be removed.
If you get reported you get the debuff with the closed eye which then turns into the cow (1 minute + 1 minute)
If you get flagged by the automatic system you get the cow immediately (1 minute)
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