"What qualifies as ninja?
- Player need rolling (group loot) on items which he cannot even use.
- In RDF needing on items for Off-Spec (unless everyone in party is explictly fine with this).
- Need rolling for other players to have 2 or more roll chances at one item.
- Kicking players from raid for no reason, especially before distributing loot from boss kill that they participated in.
- Master Looter taking items that were not reserved or giving them to players that did not win, unless it's 2nd highest roll when winner had no use for the item (rogue rolling on caster trinket).
- Changing looting rules during the raid, after it has started.Example: You joined a raid that was being advertised as one with no reserved items and after first boss raid leader says that he reserves item x from last boss.
- Player exploiting game bug to bypass master loot."
These are the default looting rules and what can get someone banned. Unless you create and clearly state different loot rules for the raid you're leading, these are what counts. Can you find what got you banned here? Do you see anything saying you can decide someone can't get an item because you think they don't need it or someone else needs it more?
Going by what you described, you don't understand what a spec is and thought someone claiming they are running a variation of a spec somehow made them be on a different one, requiring an "MS change." By denying them the loot for a roll they won, you broke your own raid rules, which either were the default or didn't say anything barring them from winning the gear.
You're out of your mind if you think I'll go over made up scenarios. You got banned for ninja looting, that should be enough hint that you did something wrong, more than likely for not having any looting rules that allowed you to deny this player the loot they won.
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People would say Enhancement and Spellhancement are two different specs within same specialization. It's the most unique specialization that can be played in two different ways. The agility route for Enha, and Spell Power for Spellhance.
People see the two being two different specs due to itemization. When raid members are asked if they want to change their SPEC, I would argue switching from Enha to Spellhance should be MS change, so it should be stated.
If I have an Enhancement specialization Shaman. I have 2 x 200 ilvl trinkets on me. I have similar gear to OP's description of the Shaman they met, full of Agility/AP/Haste/Hit gear. I join RS25, https://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=54572 , https://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=54569 and https://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=53125 drops.
Which items I can roll for MS? Ofc, it's typical MS>OS rule.
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You can argue, but the fact is the specialization is still just Enhancement for both. "Player logic" doesn't change that. The person who didn't declare "I'm changing from Enhancement to Enhancement" followed what was asked to the letter. It was on the raid leader to suck it up and make clearer loot rules next time, not to use "extra" specs that don't exist to deny loot.
As for your question, read the first line of the last paragraph in my previous post.
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Unfortunately that doesn't make any sense, because player logic is kind of what carries the loot system. otherwise almost everyone could roll on almost everything because it kind of just works. If you know that certain items are bad for certain classes you won't let them roll on it, and that is just player logic. If you start letting a windfury enha roll on spellhance items you are just going against that system, cts makes no sense in his build. I am quite convinced if you saw someone getting banned over looting a 2h wep as fdk you would tell him that it was a justified ninja ban.
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question here is if enha and spell are considered two different specs
or is it like retri, where there is the best build and such as "agility build" and "strength build" means nothing
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Okay then tell me why resto shammans and hpalas for example,can't roll for CTS , why its not their by MS prior? It gives Haste,its proc gives spell power that increases their healing,it's direct UPGRADE(warmane rules) for them, but people wont give them it without them telling they want to roll it,because its considered as dps caster trinket. Same with tanks,why they can't roll one handed 2.6 weapons without telling it?Or some dps trinkets,Because it DIRECTLY increases their AGRO,one of the most important in tanking? Why they have to mention that they roll on another spec? So you mean that enhancement is superior class that can roll anything? Also Feral Bear can go full agility items(neck,rings) because they contribute from them as a TANK, but theye are tanks initially and can't roll for agility dps items,and have to mention they are rolling on feral cat,loosing opportunity to roll for tank trinkets.
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they are still rolling for melee damager items,but in spellencha variation he can roll for both melee and spell
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Then i don't need to say that i'm changing from prot to protdps,its still prot,but also popular variation as spellenchancement,and ill roll for dps trinkets because at some point you just dont need that much tank gear.
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Watch the world burn when somebody states they roll Preg MS.
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Everything is hunter weapon. If im arcane shot, serpent main spec. I can get sp trincks too! Thats super cool to know!
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^ Whatever this guy said.
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But sir. Enhance is "special"
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There's no place for discrimination on warmane! If spellhancement can roll CTS, enhancement should roll it too!
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so it's two different specs and this situation is unjust, because spell item was given to enha, who was pure melee by talents, equipped gear and there was no MS change?
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Actually got reply from info warmane mail and they told me enhancement can't roll CTS without specifying,so i was right
