i really hope they don't go through with something like this it will be really bad for anyone who wants to pvp on onyxia
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The typical mental state of a "private tournament pvp server player".
Keep it caged on Blackrock pls.
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I understand that you choose to invest all of that time to leveling a character to play TBC. I, and the hundreds of others that will play blackrock, do not have the time or do not want to invest the time to get to 70 and level professions.
Blackrock players will have to do the same amount of BGs and Arenas to get the gear that's relevant to the mode that they will play. We aren't just going too log in, get full s1 from a vendor instantly and queue BGs into you guys on Onyxia. That's not how it will work. We will have a ****ty starter kit and dungeon blues or whatever.
If you are hard stuck 1500, the ability for a player on blackrock to honor farm a trinket will not impact your ability to get past that point. People who are against this decision are making it seem like this decision will hinder them from accomplishing some goal they have in arenas or BGs, and that's simply not the case. If you're a 1500 RM losing to WD, this is not an issue of "who has this one trinket and who doesn't". There are other things you need to work on.
Onyxia is already not a pure experience. You can buy thunderfury right now for coins on the website. It's 5x xp. This change is just opening the doors for people who do not mind playing on a non-authentic server, but also want to PvP and don't want to level and raid.
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https://imgur.com/SZvjCJG
I will only say my humble opinion, as a player who got Infernal Gladiator on couple of characters, such as those in the screenshot. Figured it might be proper to prove my PvP experience, if I want to comment on PvP topic, unlike some others with 2 weeks old account.
I know I am nothing compared to you, judging by your comments you surely are some kind of PvP PRO player who not only had 2,7k+ rating on TBC classic to at least meet top Teams, but you surely even won against them and farmed them and was in top 30 to get the rank1 title ?
In any case, following the „logic“ of your post I should be one of those Blackrock players blabla. Guess what, I am not and I am absolutely against Cross realm arenas. I have already explained in my message before how this will ruin whole Onyxia (not only PvP) experience and it will create population decrease, which nobody wants.
I would highlight some of the most ridiculous comments in this topic, some coming from you.
The trinket difference you mention in one of your messages actually WILL make difference. You obviously never played (TBC) arenas on rank1 level because if you did, you would know how 1 BIS PvE item advantage decides matches between top players, since the matches are super close and everything counts.
Also you completely ignore the main argument here. „Bad“ people with best (PvE) gear might not reach higher ratings anyway, you are correct about that. But what if rank1 players meet another rank1 players, who have better gear since they are from Blackrock where accessing the gear WILL BE much easier, as explained by many people here already.
Then you make UNFAIR ENVIRONMENT. And this applies to all player, at all skill levels and at all ratings. We from Onyxia don’t want disadvantage against players from Blackrock, no matter the rating, skill or whatever. It is simply not fair and also this has never been announced in advanced when Onyxia released. Doing this after 1 year of our time investment in the server is simply wrong.
As I have mentioned before, it is ridiculous that people who are actually not playing on Onyxia or are new to the server dare to say what is best for us, people who are here for 1 year. It is no coincidence that many Guild Masters and Officers from the top/biggest guilds from Onyxia, as well as some of the Warmane (PvP) veterans (if you played here for 10+ years like us, you would recognize the names) all stand united and are against this cross-realm crap.
As has been said many times, nobody is against creating Blackrock TBC. But don’t merge it with Onyxia. We don’t want it.
And some arguments like Blackrock TBC server would not survive on it’s own are ridiculous. Ye so what? That actually implies something heh…
Also another false argument in this topic is that in the past these kind of mergers happened and „it was well received by community“. No it was not well received. Never by the people playing on the non-Blackrock server. The biggest difference there was that it was always WOTLK server, which is established for years here and it did not influence progressive realm like Onyxia, where people already spent a year playing with certain „rules“ in mind, such as no stupid cross-realm PvP
TLDR: Make Blackrock TBC or even 50 more servers, whatever. But don't polute Onyxia server with them. Onyxia community does not want that.
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I cannot state enough how important these two points are. These are the primary reasons why a merger is a bad idea.
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First time ever in any game i see such contradiction in Low rate server and merging with instant max level character, if u wanted no PvP realm than u should disable all PVP content from Onyxia, so who wants to pvp goes on Blackrock and who wants PvE goes on Onyxia. But at this point where people investing so much time and effort in low rate server for u to merge it with Blackrock is bottom line absurd. If u already want to do such thing, do it somewhere around of end of TBC expansion, so people whom got geared in Onyxia have some content to do.
Doing it on start, its just INSANE....
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The main reason <rat> was created on Onyxia was to play TBC together. Up to now, everything we've done has been out of boredom and because our characters were locked with world buffs, due to Warmane’s decision to tune PvE content this way without offering a boon option.
After a year of building a community and progressing our characters toward TBC, if we're now going to face instant level 70 premade characters that can acquire hard-earned PvE items from a vendor then I can assure you, <rat> won’t be the only guild considering other places to spend their time.
If PvP queue times on Onyxia becomes an issue, make a change. This decision feels completely out of touch from what the majority of the Onyxia community wants and what the realm was originally meant to offer.
// Disappointed rats >:(
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I have a meeting and will respond to this post in a bit once I have time to read, but for now I'll also give my screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/tAEmDYI
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as i said, i can repeat it again, the "merger" i am referring to was not on the fully established icecrown server running for years being linked to blackrock, it was a fresh release project that started alongside of an instant 80 pvp realm, basically the same thing that is going to happen on onyxia.
it is crazy how afraid pve players are to face people with eventually the same gear they will also get, i guess you guys get your fun from beating full pvp players on onyxia who cant raid due to multiple reasons, unviable class or whatever
here the reasoning behind this was explained by warmane staff, this whole topic has already been discussed https://forum.warmane.com/showthread.php?t=435504Edited: September 17, 2024
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Exactly this. The arena realm will make the arena scene 90% more active. it's a no brainer.
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Is this seasonal Frosmourne realm still alive? And how it affected progressive one?
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Blackrock tbc is a great thing. I don't want to write a super long text, so long story short.
It lowers the threshold for players to play pvp, therefore its good for the pvp scene. The last missing pve item only matters for the top players anyway, if you fear youre going to loose because of gear you can always create a char on blackrock as well.
On lower rating gear doesnt matter at all + rating increases with more activity so even you pve enjoyers trying to achieve 1850 for weps should be thankful.
Its really weird how people actually think this would kill the progressive onyxia realm. PvE only players shouldn't care at all and people really enjoying pvp live this change, it also enables to play multiple classes.
Biggest thing: people with not that much time can still enjoy pvp on a high level.
Long enough I guess haha
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The arena scene on Onyxia will be active even without merging it with another realm, as an estimated 10k players will play on the TBC realm. However, i assure you that it may become less active once Onyxia players face scripters and full BIS players from Blackrock...
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Ok, have some time to respond now.
Here's a screenshot from S2 classic TBC, so I'll just skip over the first couple paragraphs there since we've both proven ourselves to have credibility to speak on the PvP community meta. https://imgur.com/a/tAEmDYI
1) I'd be careful using words like "nobody" because clearly that's not the case. There are a ton of mixed opinions on this addition
2) Your point on trinkets, again ignoring the fact that you think I haven't played at that level, is very flawed. The first instance we can see a trinket *maybe* make some sort of significant difference is with skull of gul'dan in S3. Even then, you should know from experience that a 1500 player with skull, will not turn into a 2200 player because they have skull. The counter-point to the argument of the way gear is acquired on blackrock is that "it will make the game impossible to play for people on Onyxia". That's not true.
3) Your point around Rank 1 players meeting other Rank 1 players is also flawed for a few reasons:
- These matchups don't matter until end of season pushes anyway, wherein everyone will be equal in gear (you should know this from your R1 pushes)
- We can expect most (not all, of course) R1 players to be playing on blackrock, so they'll be even and separated from the vast majority of Onyxia players
4) The notion that people who have not spent months on this vanilla server cannot have an opinion about the next expansion is ridiculous and childish. Why you are choosing to die in this hill when Onyxia has an item shop where you can go in right now and buy anything you want with a credit card, and has 5x exp is beyond be. You chose to spend months PvEing on a private vanilla server. Vanilla doesn't have arena, TBC does. And TBC is bringing in a lot of new faces because of that. Faces that have valid opinions on TBC Arena. Nobody is trying to ruin your community, the TBC arena players that don't have time to level and raid just want to play the game.
The majority of you players on Onyxia will not be affected by this. It won't affect the ENTIRE side of the Leveling, Raiding, or PvE experience.
Fair enough that you have a different opinion, but you using "I've been here longer so your opinion is not valid" is wild. You argue for servers to be alive and well, but you knock down others who are trying to join? You're personally offended saying "how dare you"? Buddy, this is a private classic WoW server, let's be realistic and take it down a few notches. We're here to play a game. The PvPers that will join blackrock couldn't play, now they can. Onyxia still has its community, unaffected PvE scene, and a more robust PvP scene.
This is a fantastic decision by Warmane that will invite many new players to play on their server, and interact with the tools they have available on their site.
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Couldn't of said it better myself. It's a huge W all around. The pve'rs don't realize that trying to prevent this only hurts themselves.
