Blackrock TBC crossrealm fiesta

[alexjones]

Blackrock merging is fine. Having people in full resilience sets of the bat is just an unfair playing field and means players from Onyxia will just get **** on until they finally get the gear they need to be competive, which is bad.

If they will have to do the same amount of grinding from the start of the merge we cool. If not its a very bad decision regarding pvp. Luckily Warmane pvp has been outstanding and we didnt have the fiasco that was our "high warlord grind".

Surely they will use their heads this time around.

The starter gear on the PTR leaves you with about 80 resilience, and otherwise *far* behind what a player on Onyxia could achieve with the 1+ week headstart that they will have

[Butkus]

I'd have expected a post saying this to end right there.


https://forum.warmane.com/showthread...=1#post3229433

"I'd have expected a post saying this to end right there"
sure.. and there is a reason why i asked YOU what i did... but as usual more of the same...

two different servers... two different sets of rules for players and gear..but yeah asking questions about the game i play that you just changed is crazy talk...

[Obnoxious]

"I'd have expected a post saying this to end right there"
sure.. and there is a reason why i asked YOU what i did... but as usual more of the same...

two different servers... two different sets of rules for players and gear..but yeah asking questions about the game i play that you just changed is crazy talk...

You as usual fall squarely in this:

Not aimed at you specifically, but I likely won't be replying further to posts that aren't really bringing up anything new or worth addressing individually.

The only reason I replied to the bit I did was the comedic value.

[Blakeatron]

i do keep commenting about gear on 2 different servers because i dont have the answers my questions about it.

i cant figure out why you want me to grind rep do attuments and the like for gear but black rock players dont have to..

Berserker's Call trinket as an example- on onyxia we will have to raid so that trinket right? hope it drops.. rngs.. raid spots progression who the gm lets have what...
thats what i will have to deal with to get the trinket right?

but on BlackRock players can just buy Berserker's Call from a vendor correct? when its added to game?
no rng.. no raiding.. no wasted time looking for raid spots and all that.. thats not fair or balanced.

black rock players will have 100% chance at Berserker's Call as they buy it froma vendor.. its always there..
onxyia players have to "win" Berserker's Call the old way? by raiding for it...?

see the issue? what if zkers call never drops for me? rinse and repeat with gold, rep, and professions...

rated bg's i think would be a huge hit even more so being only server with them...only issue is getting 10 others to group and not just run 2v2.. rewards have to be more/better then 2v2 or players "most" will go for the easy way..

rbgs also have less balance issues then arena i think

"We won't be making custom changes to itemization for things like HWL gear"
"buffing" say hwl gear to match naxx gear as an example would give players reason to grind bgs and would 100% get more people in bgs. thats the goal of blackrock right? more players?

im full hwl and have been i solo q' bgs pretty much any time i log in if you and other staff play? im sure we all seen each other in bgs.
but not every player "thinks" thats fun they need something to make them want to grind..why grind rank for hwl when one can get a better weapon from naxx or Temple of Ahn'Qiraj?

thats my point and one area that could be looked at if you are wanting "more" players in pvp.
even giving us something to spend honor on like uncut gems..just and example or health pots that can be used anywhere not just bgs.

"To my knowledge, there already isn't any rating requirement on TBC pvp items in general"
i can 100% say that there is rating requirments on gear for TBC and was here on outland as well.
if i remember right its 2200+ for weapons and shoulders...not sure about s1 but rating requirements is a real thing.

i asked how long would pvp seasons be for a reason = we have to save up ap farm gear and ratings..and buy gear to go along with normal every day playing stuff.. rep and profession grinds..

an now an arena server tied to onxyia will make hitting certain ratings all that much harder for the majority of people...


if warmane makes RBG's for my 2 fave servers.. classic V and TBC i would 100% be interested if/when

ty for the reply

Your questions have been answered multiple times. You aren't accepting those answers and keep asking the same questions.

[Butkus]

I don't think there is a single player (who intends to play Blackrock) that would oppose something like this, because it would further increase arena activity lol

really sweet!
so if that increase the player pop on blackrock.. then the same would be true for players on onxyia right? giving onxyia players the same way to gear as blacrock players would increase pvp on onxyia!

and thats what this is all about increasing onxyia player pop...

its funny how you just skip over all the differences between the two servers gear wise...
when one sever has to raid for an items and deal with drop rates and killing bosses and players on another server can get same gear without the hassle.. lol yeah i think its broken.

[Blakeatron]

really sweet!
so if that increase the player pop on blackrock.. then the same would be true for players on onxyia right? giving onxyia players the same way to gear as blacrock players would increase pvp on onxyia!

and thats what this is all about increasing onxyia player pop...

its funny how you just skip over all the differences between the two servers gear wise...
when one sever has to raid for an items and deal with drop rates and killing bosses and players on another server can get same gear without the hassle.. lol yeah i think its broken.

Ask your Onyxia friends if they want zerkers call, skull of guldan, and other items to be available on the main prog server for arena points purely for the reasoning of this slight adjustment in timing for arena specifcally.

I wonder what their opinion on that will be.

[Butkus]

So wait a second. What happened to purity on Onyxia? Now you want zerkers call to be available for arena points on the prog server to make arena more fair? Idk man, doesn't seem like the Onyxia community would like that.



You're misunderstanding. He's saying that those friends would either not play at all, or only play blackrock TBC. These new players aren't getting cannibalized.

"So wait a second. What happened to purity on Onyxia? Now you want zerkers call to be available for arena points on the prog server to make arena more fair? Idk man, doesn't seem like the Onyxia community would like that."

zerkser's call will be sold from a vendor on blackrock for honor or arena points.. do the players there love that idea?

that will not happen on onxyia and thats my point... blackrock zker's call will be sold 100% from a vendor for cheap arena points but not onxyia... do you not see the issue?

just think right now in game on onxyia if say naxx gear was being sold from a vendor for arena points...for certain players.. but you have to raid naxx to get it when i go buy it from a vendor with 100% drop rate.. fair? not a chance now add in gems/ professions/ rep/ rng raids...

[c1rc41]

Pardon my ignorance perhaps, but then what exactly is the point of having a Blackrock TBC realm? Is it only to balance out the PVP activity which we genuinely don't have a fair gauge of yet? I actually don't think we could use any period in Onyxia's history as a fair gauge of PVP activity due to the ranking system. The only other reason I can see is so people who want to purely PVP don't have to do any PVE, which I did not realize was a priority. FWIW everyone in our guild is excited for arenas but as has been stated before nobody really cares about doing PVP right now aside from gearing alts through the mind-numbing honor farm and reward from Call to Arms.

I've read the entire thread and understand the staff's points, but still -1 to this idea from me. I'd much rather prove we do need it than have to prove we don't -- when looking for a result it's easy to see the result you desire.

"So wait a second. What happened to purity on Onyxia? Now you want zerkers call to be available for arena points on the prog server to make arena more fair? Idk man, doesn't seem like the Onyxia community would like that."

zerkser's call will be sold from a vendor on blackrock for honor or arena points.. do the players there love that idea?

that will not happen on onxyia and thats my point... blackrock zker's call will be sold 100% from a vendor for cheap arena points but not onxyia... do you not see the issue?

just think right now in game on onxyia if say naxx gear was being sold from a vendor for arena points...for certain players.. but you have to raid naxx to get it when i go buy it from a vendor with 100% drop rate.. fair? not a chance now add in gems/ professions/ rep/ rng raids...

IMO the point of using some of the PVE items in PVP is that they ARE rare.

[opopopkl]

they are judging from frostmourne experience and it was legit, those who played on pve server had relatively huge advantage
the warmane staff is 100% correct, the first thing they really need is to make servers and pvp alive, there will be separate rank
most people dont have enough time to grind gear and level, blackrock was an amazing server where u could always focus only pvp only without the hassle of leveling and grinding rep
they will do the same as with frostmourne for sure where the best items like warblade will be nearly impossible to get besides the high end pve gear so pve players will have their advantage, thank god warmane stuff is doing it
as for people talking about sniping and stuff, who cares, that issue applies to like 0.001% ot total player base, was that really an issue with cross bg during wotlk season? nobody cared, new players anyway played at low ranks, top players were high ranked on both realms, also r1 titles were not obtainable besides being rank1 in 3s
very good job warmane stuff, big props for this decision, after all the end goal is to have the biggest player base, dont make ur realm turn into a dead shade with no arenas being played and 1 active bg

[Blakeatron]

"So wait a second. What happened to purity on Onyxia? Now you want zerkers call to be available for arena points on the prog server to make arena more fair? Idk man, doesn't seem like the Onyxia community would like that."

zerkser's call will be sold from a vendor on blackrock for honor or arena points.. do the players there love that idea?

that will not happen on onxyia and thats my point... blackrock zker's call will be sold 100% from a vendor for cheap arena points but not onxyia... do you not see the issue?

just think right now in game on onxyia if say naxx gear was being sold from a vendor for arena points...for certain players.. but you have to raid naxx to get it when i go buy it from a vendor with 100% drop rate.. fair? not a chance now add in gems/ professions/ rep/ rng raids...

Yes, blackrock players love that idea. Even though it will take them weeks of flushes in order to get the item. In which time Onyxia players will have been raiding for weeks and will probably already have the item.

You are completely misinformed about the impact of these items in arena. You have this mindset that blackrock players will be full s1 PvP bis with all BiS trinkets in the first day. This is not the case, as Warmane staff has laid out for you already.

Even though they have laid that out for you, you still refuse to accept that answer because you're being territorial and stubborn. You asked your questions, you got the answers, stop asking the same questions. Provide new topics or input.

[Deephya]

Just let us pvp enjoyers spam Arena all day long, I swear 99% of people commenting against this here won't even play more than 100 games per season.
If you are really looking to push R1 and think it's unfair, you can play both realms and have a perfectly geared char rdy to push when it matters.
I can't put 15h a day into the game to have like 3 chars rdy on a progressive realm.
Stop trying to exclude us Arena spammers god damn.

Thanks Obnoxious and the rest of the staff, for being smarter than these 'meeeh I'm going to get farmed by blackrock pvp enjoyers'-people.

Tbc hype baby let's all have fun together as one!

Edit: yes we need onyxia playerbase, so no we can't have a separated blackrock ladder.

[Sunite]

Yes, blackrock players love that idea. Even though it will take them weeks of flushes in order to get the item. In which time Onyxia players will have been raiding for weeks and will probably already have the item.

You are completely misinformed about the impact of these items in arena. You have this mindset that blackrock players will be full s1 PvP bis with all BiS trinkets in the first day. This is not the case, as Warmane staff has laid out for you already.

Even though they have laid that out for you, you still refuse to accept that answer because you're being territorial and stubborn. You asked your questions, you got the answers, stop asking the same questions. Provide new topics or input.

When are you going to ask for Glaves being for 3k AP and argue how they are not big deal in PvP?

Oh and claim that by the time Blackrock player touch them everyone on Onyxia will already have them I forgot to add...

Oh and it's for Onyxias own good don't forget that too...

[Blakeatron]

Glaives are a completely separate discussion and I'll be very interested to see how Warmane staff approaches them.

[verksm]

"So wait a second. What happened to purity on Onyxia? Now you want zerkers call to be available for arena points on the prog server to make arena more fair? Idk man, doesn't seem like the Onyxia community would like that."

zerkser's call will be sold from a vendor on blackrock for honor or arena points.. do the players there love that idea?

that will not happen on onxyia and thats my point... blackrock zker's call will be sold 100% from a vendor for cheap arena points but not onxyia... do you not see the issue?

just think right now in game on onxyia if say naxx gear was being sold from a vendor for arena points...for certain players.. but you have to raid naxx to get it when i go buy it from a vendor with 100% drop rate.. fair? not a chance now add in gems/ professions/ rep/ rng raids...

why raid at all on onyxia it is a big waste of time just farm gold 24/7, sell it on the marketplace for coins and then buy the items you want with 100% drop rate
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[Sunite]

why raid at all on onyxia it is a big waste of time just farm gold 24/7, sell it on the marketplace for coins and then buy the items you want with 100% drop rate
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Another one who don't know how shop works yet wants to use it in an argument.