Unlike you guys, some people took up the role to take care of others and create an environment which is gonna bring joy to many people in their free time. You might be young and inexperienced, but the level of disrespect you are showing is gonna come back at you irl one day.
I bet you wouldnt dare to be so rude to people irl, but i guess the internet is a perfect place to be a T-Rex (big mouth, small biceps).
*edit: @Obnoxious, we allowed to call people animals? The tone of some kids is becoming really annoying.
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Edited: September 10, 2024
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And you gatekeeping people that want to play TBC arena and otherwise would not be able to. Is that bringing joy to people in their free time? Or is that you being territorial about an area of the game that won't affect you unless you were wanting to make a title push?
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No one said you cant. You are free to play on Blackrock among your peers, why do you need us except for self glorification. It shouldnt matter to you if you got r1 with 2.5k rate or 3k, this is a private server with 20y old content and no one will care about your achievements anyway.
*edit: Its interesting how you dodge my posts whenever possible, but when you feel like you can throw a punch, suddenly you find the reply button. Weak, very weak.
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Hey Blakeatron! Thanks for asking.
I do not think that this is gatekeeping. Since anyone is welcome on the Onyxia realm, and able to play with the members of it, there is no prevention happening. Anyone has access to log into this realm and play a character. I understand that some may not have the time to maintain a character here; however, that sort of leans into the concept of there being a significant difference in philosophies between the realms, does it not?
I am sorry, but I am not here to bring joy to those who turn away my offering. I have, unfortunately, had to remove many people from my guild because they do not agree with the message I aim to portray. I hope that makes sense!
I would hope you do not view me as territorial (reusing mod language :-)?). I am openly welcome to any new or returning player on Onyxia. I even wish for Blackrock to be implemented! There is no reason that there cannot be a pvp realm (blackrock already exists and has for a long time). However, it should not be aligned with Onyxia. This reason was already explained by my earlier posts.
Again, I hope that people would respond respectfully without animosity. You seem extremely ready to push opinions onto me, when I am not saying what you are claiming. I hope my response finds you well, and it is clearly understood.
I am in no way speaking to the Onxyia or Blackrock playerbase with my initial comments. I am speaking directly to Warmane and their staff members, who work hard, and surely are open to feedback (this is a major change and I believe what I have provided is considered feedback - Feedback: information about reactions to a product, a person's performance of a task, etc. which is used as a basis for improvement.)
Sincerely,
- Disappointed Rogue from Onyxia
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Suddenly your "data source" is not correct, so you are going to blame it on the same person posting from multiple accounts? Oh how pathetic...It seems like the majority is not in favor no matter how much you try to persuade us
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You are gatekeeping the people who do not have time to PvE with this "you can't sit with us" mindset. The mods and several people in here have addressed your concerns about loot acquisition, pacing of the realm, and monitoring of the ladders to see if anything needs to be changed.
Yet, you still continue to gatekeep the great decision that is to have cross-play even though it will give the Onyxians who want to PvP a thriving scene to do so. The moderator perfectly summarized it earlier in this thread. You're being territorial/stubborn and will not fathom opening your mind to the benefits that this change has.
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Gatekeeping:
the activity of controlling, and usually limiting, general access to something.
Can you please inform me how the poster in question is gatekeeping? It seems as if he is very in favor of you having a place to play. The realm, is by default, separate from all other realms. Advocating to change this is not really in line with what gatekeeping entails. I think that you, and other advocates, are potentially using phrases like these in order to strengthen statements made by Warmane?
The Moderators have spoken about certain things, but I do not believe they have satisfied an answer to many of the questions that are still, and have been, being asked, since the first page.
Sincerely,
- Disappointed Rogue from Onyxia
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Your choice of words (we all see what you doing) doesnt change the fact you are ignoring everyones opposing arguments. What you are asking for is only for your own goals and ego, not for any other Blackrock or Onyxia player.
Do i get to join my local football club only because i want to play football, but dont have the time to join every training? Ofc not. And ofc they dont wanna play with me. Thats why i play in the weekend league with other casuals. It cant be compared directly to our situation here, but you get the logic - tho youll oppose it for sure. Everyone has a place he belongs, and Onyxia has a defined way for almost a year.
And btw, farming Blackrock teams from my Onyxia chars is actually a big benefit to me personally when it comes to Arenas. But yet here i am, advocating for what i believe is good for the realm, not myself. Maybe youll learn to look past your own interests one day too.
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Lagmasta, you're coming in late and are making points that have already been addressed. Please read the full thread then provide your input.
Your definition of gatekeeping is correct, and thank you for defining it. Santori and others are gatekeeping the players on Blackrock by denying access to cross-realm play. Even though the concerns they have brought up were addressed and are being appropriately monitored, the sense of territory is the main backing behind these continued arguments.
First of all, let's be aligned. This is not what I'm asking for, it's what's happening and I'm supporting. Big difference.
Second, I fully expect to struggle to even push glad on these servers when fighting the best of EU and being out of practice for 4 years. I am not here for ego. I am here because I, and others, REALLY enjoy TBC arena specifically. Avoiding the need to spend countless hours playing a side of the game that I do not care about, to get to the part that I do, is amazing. And having that be combined with the Onyxia community is essential for blackrock, that's true. What's also true is Onyxia's PvP scene will thrive because hundreds of additional players will be fueling the scene throughout the entirety of the expansion, not just the first weeks of each phase during hype time.
Idk man, a lot of people go to football clubs just because they want to play football. You kind of shot yourself in the foot with that example. Also, arena is great because it still puts you in the bracket of similarly-skilled people. So thank you for bringing this up, it supports the side of adding many additional levels of players that will come in via blackrock to make Onyxia a more well-rounded place to experience TBC PvP.
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Sounds like a few hundreds players are more than enough to have your own ladder and Qs. Also, no need to fine tune anything as it will be fair to all parties. Merging only complicates things unnecessarily.
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are you currently playing on onxyia? whats your toons name? if you want?hit me up in game and we can group and run a few bgs together ok?nothing crazy but we can see how we play/do. would be fun as i always solo q.
not only do i know what arena point cap/flush is i in this very thread gave some info on rating requirements for gear..
off the top of my head from outland here...
gloves..no rating
legs = 1550
chest = 1600 or 1650?
head =1700
shoulders/weapons+ 2200.
im concerned with how players on BlackRock can buy anything from gear to professions off a vendor with 100% drop rate from honor and ap..
while players on onxyia can not do the same...
again when zkers call trinket is available on blackrock from a vendor for ap's.. every single player "that can use it" will buy that trinket from the vendor, every single one with 100% and be able to use it..
mean while on onxyia..we are TRYING to down the boss in 25 man... hoping zkers call drops.. for ONE AND ONLY ONE person!
you get it now?the reason why you want the server = full and free access to pve gear is why i dont like it, not when rules do not apply to everyone.
you act and talk like blackrock players have to worry about if gear from the vendor will be there..no waiting in line at the vendors no rng..
one person and 1 person only once a week on onxyia if said item drops like zkers call can get it...raid lock outs..?
why do all the high end pvpers on blackrock need pve gear anyway? cant skill and a battlemasters trinket be enough to farm pvers?
if blackrock has all the best pvpers why give them a much easier gear path?should we not do the same for players on onxyia since we are not as good and could use the help?...remember the goal is to increase pvp activity on onyxa right?
lets just have matching npc vendors ok?whatever gear is being sold for ap/honor on blackrock along with reps/professions and the like.. lets do the same for onyxia players?
how would that not be fair?
warglaives from a vendor.. or fighting your way threw black temple hoping for a rare drop..
fix that issues
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If you are so sure of it happening, why do you spend the whole day opposing peoples arguments against this? Shouldnt you be enjoying your time doing something else? You either feel unsure about the decision, or you dont know what to do with your free time. I guess both, but thats your issue, not mine. P.s.: Sorry to burst your bubble, but its not done until its done :)
Id really like to know on which facts you are basing your opinion that Blackrock or Onyxia need each other - so far you are just stating your beliefs, with no data and literally zero experience on Onyxia itself. We have been here for almost a year on the other hand, and many even over 10 or 15y across various realms. So please stop speaking of facts, the truth or whatever fancy vocabulary you copycat from staff, it wont turn your POV into facts.
Dont really see myself shooting in the leg. Maybe in your POV where you actually never were part of a community or club which actually has requirements. As said hundreds of times in this thread: You can play among yourselves on Blackrock, you are either gonna have enough players or not. But if Blackrock needs Onyxia, it is not Onyxias issue. If this was a fresh Frostmourne season where this setting was revealed from the start, it would be fair game. But surprising us after one year of invested play time just to accommodate a few people which have a different philosophy, thats not our issue and is unfair.
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Removing offensive messages, I apologize, focusing on finding solutions.
Edited: September 17, 2024
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I appreciate the invite and I'll let you know next time I'm on.
I understand and hear you, trust me I really do. I'm glad you have a thorough understanding of the flush/point system. So take a look at the below:
Blackrock player:
From arena points:
- Needs to get 5 pieces of Arena season gear (interchangeable if they get 1 piece of off gear)
- Needs to get PvP weapon
- Needs to get PvE trinket
The PvP arena gear is EXPONENTIALLY more important in every season than any PvE trinket that you could get. One exception may be skull of gul'dan for certain caster comps, but the trinket you keep mentioning, zerkers call, is not in that wheelhouse. Neither is DST for those who made that case.
So after, and I'm not certain on how the flush system will work on this specific server, around 3-5 flushes of constant grinding (3-5 weeks), the blackrock player may be able to afford their PvP arena gear in full.
Another flush or two to get weapon.
Another flush or two to get that one trinket.
This is around 1.5-2 months into the season where this player will receive the trinket that you're worried will break the game. These trinkets do not have the impact that you're worried they will have. Again, a 1800 player with zerkers call will lose 100/100 matches to a 2200 player without zerker's call.
Onyxia Player
- Needs to get 5 pieces of Arena season gear (interchangeable if they get 1 piece of off gear)
- Needs to get PvP weapon
- Needs to get PvE trinket
Same 3-5 flushed for gear. Same 1-2 flushes for Weapon.
All the while in these first 1-2 months, they are raiding every week. Opportunities to pug, soft rez, GDKP, put as their top priority in their guild run, whatever. This starts at week #1. Before flush 1 even happens. Onyxia player has months to acquire this item before blackrock player does.
Sure, you can get MEGA unlucky and have it not drop. That happens and that is part of the variance of playing WoW. In that case, you will also be at a disadvantage to any Onyxia player that got the trinket already. What, are you going to have the devs prevent them from playing because they are lucky and you are not?
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The point is, blackrock players will NOT have an innate advantage gear-wise. Towards the end of the season, when pushing rating actually matters, the goal is to have everyone around the same gear level. This is exactly what this system accomplishes.
IF you could get these trinkets via HONOR POINTS, you would have a 10000% valid argument that I would agree with. But any gear worth mentioning is gated behind WEEKS and WEEKS of flushes. You cannot make a blackrock character, no-life for a week, and have an unfair advantage. It just simply is not the case.
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It's important to have voices on either side. I'm able to show my support for the decision as much as you make you case against it.
The Warmane staff is making a smart decision, and letting them know that we support it, and why we support it is important.
