Concerns Regarding the Blackrock and Onyxia Server Merge

[Jane1122]

Dear Warmane Development Team,

First, let me thank you for your ongoing efforts in maintaining an enjoyable and stable World of Warcraft experience on your servers. Your dedication to creating a vibrant community is greatly appreciated. However, I am writing to express my concerns regarding the recent merge of Blackrock and Onyxia, which I believe has introduced significant challenges that threaten the balance and enjoyment of the game for many players.

As a dedicated PvE and PvP player, I find that PvE progression serves as a rewarding avenue to gain an edge in arenas—a goal many of us strive toward. Unfortunately, this merge has created a disparity that is difficult to ignore. Blackrock players, many of whom are among the best arena competitors in the world, now hold a significant advantage due to their progression and gear accessibility.

This issue became strikingly evident with the release of Karazhan. It has left Onyxia players in a demoralizing position. For those of us who are committed to progressing through content the traditional way, this disparity is disheartening. Farming honor while seeing Blackrock players already equipped with Karazhan loot mere minutes after release undermines the sense of accomplishment and progression for Onyxia players.

This leads me to ask: Why should players continue to invest their time on Onyxia when Blackrock players enjoy such distinct advantages? Moreover, the lack of incentives for Blackrock players to donate, compared to Onyxia players who often do so to avoid queues or acquire specific items, raises questions about the long-term viability and fairness of this merge from both a gameplay and business perspective.

To address this imbalance, I respectfully propose the following:

Reevaluate the merge: Consider reversing the decision to merge Blackrock and Onyxia to preserve the unique progression paths and experiences of each server.

Introduce progression gating for Blackrock: For instance, delaying access to Karazhan gear on Blackrock until Onyxia players have moved on to SSC/TK content.

Such adjustments would help restore balance and provide incentives for players to remain on Onyxia, ensuring a more equitable and engaging experience for all.

I sincerely hope you will take these concerns into consideration. Onyxia has been an incredible journey for me, and I would hate to see its potential eroded by a decision that could be rectified with thoughtful changes.

Thank you for your time and for listening to player feedback.

Best regards,
Slipperyjane

[Twofpsx]

This issue became strikingly evident with the release of Karazhan. It has left Onyxia players in a demoralizing position. For those of us who are committed to progressing through content the traditional way, this disparity is disheartening. Farming honor while seeing Blackrock players already equipped with Karazhan loot mere minutes after release undermines the sense of accomplishment and progression for Onyxia players.

Ye theres no way you saw blackrock players with karazhan gear already or first boss loot only at best, the second karazhan boss quest is nearly impossible to do currently for us. Idk if kara's difficulty is hella buffed on onyxia or not, but on tbc classic it was just a free raid from week 1

[tonkoloni333333]

merging with onyxia realm was the ****tiest idea ever it will kill pvp fking insane its not even worth investing time in onyxia anymore

[Wipp15]

I 1000% agree with you.
Why would anyone want to merge two servers with completely different conditions to begin with? Who is this for? And what’s the reasoning behind it? If we look at Onyxia, we don’t exactly have any population issues. I think it’s fine that they get relatively quick access to PvP gear, but having both PvE and PvP without barely lifting a finger?. Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t normally spend much time reflecting on “what others do or don’t do,” but in this case, it feels completely insane that I would even consider creating an alt on Onyxia instead of Blackrock if my ambition is PvP. As a result, Onyxia ends up losing parts of its player base, leaving people with a bitter taste. Onyxia is the clear loser here. Whether or not you care about this, it doesn’t change the fact that this was a clear blow to Onyxia.

[Trasheye123]

Last bg: 80% Blackrock players being complete degens. id rather take 10 min queues over this bs

[Defronevan]

Dear Warmane Development Team,

First, let me thank you for your ongoing efforts in maintaining an enjoyable and stable World of Warcraft experience on your servers. Your dedication to creating a vibrant community is greatly appreciated. However, I am writing to express my concerns regarding the recent merge of Blackrock and Onyxia, which I believe has introduced significant challenges that threaten the balance and enjoyment of the game for many players.

As a dedicated PvE and PvP player, I find that PvE progression serves as a rewarding avenue to gain an edge in arenas—a goal many of us strive toward. Unfortunately, this merge has created a disparity that is difficult to ignore. Blackrock players, many of whom are among the best arena competitors in the world, now hold a significant advantage due to their progression and gear accessibility.

This issue became strikingly evident with the release of Karazhan. It has left Onyxia players in a demoralizing position. For those of us who are committed to progressing through content the traditional way, this disparity is disheartening. Farming honor while seeing Blackrock players already equipped with Karazhan loot mere minutes after release undermines the sense of accomplishment and progression for Onyxia players.

This leads me to ask: Why should players continue to invest their time on Onyxia when Blackrock players enjoy such distinct advantages? Moreover, the lack of incentives for Blackrock players to donate, compared to Onyxia players who often do so to avoid queues or acquire specific items, raises questions about the long-term viability and fairness of this merge from both a gameplay and business perspective.

To address this imbalance, I respectfully propose the following:

Reevaluate the merge: Consider reversing the decision to merge Blackrock and Onyxia to preserve the unique progression paths and experiences of each server.

Introduce progression gating for Blackrock: For instance, delaying access to Karazhan gear on Blackrock until Onyxia players have moved on to SSC/TK content.

Such adjustments would help restore balance and provide incentives for players to remain on Onyxia, ensuring a more equitable and engaging experience for all.

I sincerely hope you will take these concerns into consideration. Onyxia has been an incredible journey for me, and I would hate to see its potential eroded by a decision that could be rectified with thoughtful changes.

Thank you for your time and for listening to player feedback.

Best regards,
Slipperyjane

I'm 100% with you. Both the proplems and ideas for solution.

[tonkoloni333333]

why spend 10k gold on proffesions farm rep 1week and gather groups and sweat for items in raid when u play agains someone full bis from afk farm in bgs
its insane how dumb this merge is it will kill the onyxia pvp and the tbc expiriance

[Holypotatoz11]

As the Person who initiated this thread says, I believe we are all very grateful to be able to play on this server for free.

But lets be honest and constructive here for a sec:

By the looks of these 2 server setups, I'm certain that Blackrock will simply kill Onyxia PVP players and force them to switch to Blackrock. So in the end I can foresee Onyxia being full PVE, and Blackrock ofc full PVP.

- Let's be real here, on Blackrock you can earn 200 heroics badges in what? 2-3 days? And on Onyxia? forming random grp heroics and making 200 badges? That's like 2 weeks of try harding heroics every day.
- Now, this Karazhan loot system, Netherspite loot if you pick up x3 WSG buffs. I mean, then rather give them free loot, cause this is obviously a very bad decision. The whole Karazhan quest chain on Blackrock is literally free loot.
- Then you have 5k honor for a bg win, while you also get 5 marks and you can also buy more marks with 500 honor each. Very unbalanced.
- Epic leg enchant on Onyxia you need to **** your pants of farming, yet on Blackrock you just LOSE a Battleground and u get 2500 honor and you buy it. :)

Very, very unbalanced.

[Holypotatoz11]

Side note:

Gems 60g each on Onyxia. 10 gems = 600g, probably 2 hours of questing.
Blackrock you win BG, get 5k honor, and buy 10 blue gems = x1 BG 15-20min?

[Fontzeey1122]

I would argue that, regardless of whether you prefer PvP or PvE, 95% of all players appreciate getting gear upgrades. No one can deny that it diminishes some of that joy when people you face in BGs and arenas can obtain the same gear A LOT easier. It's like playing a game where someone is cheating, it's an uneven playing field. So let that sink in. They are knowingly taking away a part of the enjoyment for 95% of the population on Onyxia.

[suipklolka]

I completely agree. I have already written about this many times in my posts. As a PvP and PvE player, I'm also frustrated by the fact that I have to farm impassable heroes on Onyxia, spending my time to catch up with blackrock players who can pass as a hero by paying 5 BG marks. Add such dailies on Onyxia to have fair rules of the game. I'm not even talking about the incredibly easy extraction of enchats and gems. If it's that hard to farm honor, as many blackrock players say. Give the same opportunity to onyxia players. The blackroll realm looks like bad trolling from the server administration at the very least. And as a maximum of spitting on the efforts of thousands of players from Onyxia

[Larraulton9000]

Pls delete blackrock tbc, ty.

[Cuddlebearqt]

I can't agree with this post more. Onyxia has been such a success but guys, you need to adress this or I guarantee the player base will suffer.

[Reth55]

We are tired, and in my case, very disappointed with this decision of the server, I do not understand the reason to join 2 realms, tbc is just starting, we are not lacking of pvp players, we have MANY PLAYERS who need to obtain and complete the PVP GEAR, PEOPLE who have leveled up their characters and have worked hard, and you send them to fight against full armed people, who are not even from onyxia. Very disappointed...

[harrpaniz1]

Its so strange to me to go to these threads and be bombarded with the term "fairness" when it seems the term you were looking for was "advantage".

I have not seen one single thread decrying the fact that Blackrock started without any reputation grind or gear. Where is the outpouring and threads about how unfair that is to Blackrock?
I have not seen a single thread decrying the fact that Onyxia players had time to get Grand Marshal gear by saving up currency before Blackrock was even released giving Onyxia a possible gear advantage. Where is the outpouring and threads about how unfair that is to Blackrock?
I have not seen a single thread decrying the fact that Blackrock has no professions while Onyxia has them. Where is the outpouring and threads about how unfair that is to Blackrock?

To me its simple; term you seem to be looking for is "advantage". You dont think Onyxia players have enough of an advantage over Blackrock players, fairness is not what is actually up for discussion here. If it were then you would agree that Blackrock should have crafting, professions, and get some free currency just so we can potentially compete with the people who grinded before Blackrock even opened, right? Again, this is never up for debate because fairness is not what is being discussed.

Ive said it before and i'll say it again: Complaining and being concerned is fine, but atleast be reasonable and honest when stating what you want. If you don't like progression, don't play a progression server. If what you want is instant gear or to be at the same level or higher than other players, why are you playing a realm where the entire idea is to progress in terms of gear, it should be completely fine to you that players in fact do not have the same gear and you may not even be rewarded for playing a lot because of the rolls and rng involved.

In terms of OPs suggestions, I only play Blackrock and I couldn't care less about Onyxia, but I agree that Blackrock can be left a week or two behind Onyxia, that way really dedicated players can potentially snag a piece of loot or two before Blackrock becomes a factor in terms of getting the gear by means of PVP. I even think certain items could be a little bit more expensive on Blackrock (for instance potions, something i've been consistent about on WOTLK aswell, where Blackrock players used to drink Free Action Potions on cooldown when they were free of charge).

What I disagree about is your (OPs) notion that because Blackrock players tend to be very good at arenas, they should be punished or the (in this case) worse players should be rewarded. Would you say the same about PVE? If a guild can't clear a raid it should be made easier for them, or they should be able to buy the gear for emblems? To me it just sounds like a skill issue, and I say that as somebody whos peak on Warmane is 2.3k in 2s, and I have never played TBC ever before. I don't think I should be rewarded for not being good at the game.