Dungeons damage

[Dotlyfe]

I believe this patch contains some nerfs when compared to original release.

[Obnoxious]

I believe this patch contains some nerfs when compared to original release.

Yes, BlueAo from the QA Team has stated in a different thread that these dungeons already are post-nerf, just like the Raids.

[Kalola]

Can you please stop with the elitism already? Every time I see this topic brought up you always come in with your "This is real TBC get used to it" bull****. If that's the philosophy of the Warmane TBC then why is the rest of the content a complete joke? Kara, Magtheridon, Gruul are all nerfed into the ground, and from PTR it seems the same is true for SSC. If the team decided they for some reason don't want or can't release dungeons in the same pitiful state then just say, don't blow smoke up your own *** with this "hardcore" tripe.

[Kalymako]

Can you please stop with the elitism already? Every time I see this topic brought up you always come in with your "This is real TBC get used to it" bull****. If that's the philosophy of the Warmane TBC then why is the rest of the content a complete joke? Kara, Magtheridon, Gruul are all nerfed into the ground, and from PTR it seems the same is true for SSC. If the team decided they for some reason don't want or can't release dungeons in the same pitiful state then just say, don't blow smoke up your own *** with this "hardcore" tripe.

worst thing is i only opened this discussion because i only care about normal dungeons here. Those are only meant for leveling so i dont see what the problem is. Right now there is apparently 12000 people online and you have to wait 1 hour or more for dungeon because nobody wants to go through that **** because its slow and with a lot of wipes usually. People have 6k hp and get hit for 2k by bosses. Yesterday i was in coilfang or whatever... 66 lvl tank 7k hp and when bosses spell aligned with swing he would get hit for like 4k dmg + rest of the group hit by spell as well. Literaly unhealable for 62 level healer. So group fell apart. Its so dog**** nobody wants to level with dungeons it seems because there is literaly 1hour + long queue. I havent even played heroics because i quit leveling because i cant get groups. Its definitely not the same as original TBC either there is hundreds of videos on yt from years ago. And to TBC classic its not even close.

[merkichmirnie]

worst thing is i only opened this discussion because i only care about normal dungeons here. Those are only meant for leveling so i dont see what the problem is. Right now there is apparently 12000 people online and you have to wait 1 hour or more for dungeon because nobody wants to go through that **** because its slow and with a lot of wipes usually. People have 6k hp and get hit for 2k by bosses. Yesterday i was in coilfang or whatever... 66 lvl tank 7k hp and when bosses spell aligned with swing he would get hit for like 4k dmg + rest of the group hit by spell as well. Literaly unhealable for 62 level healer. So group fell apart. Its so dog**** nobody wants to level with dungeons it seems because there is literaly 1hour + long queue. I havent even played heroics because i quit leveling because i cant get groups. Its definitely not the same as original TBC either there is hundreds of videos on yt from years ago. And to TBC classic its not even close.

in original tbc people wiped a lot and didn't just give up because wiping is part of the game. i don't understand why people want content they can just run through without gear, coordination or any effort whatsoever. what's the point in playing when everything is so easy? and let's be real - neither heroics nor leveling dungeons are extremely hard in general. if you know what you are doing and coordinate you are fine, if you have good gear you are usually fine, if you have neither you are in for some wipes until you learned how to overcome the encounter. and some fights just have a bit of rng that indeed may wipe you from time to time but again, wiping is part of the game.

[Obnoxious]

Can you please stop with the elitism already? Every time I see this topic brought up you always come in with your "This is real TBC get used to it" bull****. If that's the philosophy of the Warmane TBC then why is the rest of the content a complete joke? Kara, Magtheridon, Gruul are all nerfed into the ground, and from PTR it seems the same is true for SSC. If the team decided they for some reason don't want or can't release dungeons in the same pitiful state then just say, don't blow smoke up your own *** with this "hardcore" tripe.

It sounds to me that Burning Crusade just isn't for you, and you have some need to blame anything else for it.
Have a break to chill and rethink your choices.

Its definitely not the same as original TBC either there is hundreds of videos on yt from years ago. And to TBC classic its not even close.

Yet each video gets debunked and explained, not even by Staff, but by other players who say why your pick'n'choosen videos have such numbers.

[Kalymako]

in original tbc people wiped a lot and didn't just give up because wiping is part of the game. i don't understand why people want content they can just run through without gear, coordination or any effort whatsoever. what's the point in playing when everything is so easy? and let's be real - neither heroics nor leveling dungeons are extremely hard in general. if you know what you are doing and coordinate you are fine, if you have good gear you are usually fine, if you have neither you are in for some wipes until you learned how to overcome the encounter. and some fights just have a bit of rng that indeed may wipe you from time to time but again, wiping is part of the game.

I dont know how many times i have to write same thing over and over. But there is 12000 people playing according to website and there is 1hour + queues at prime time because nobody wants to deal with that ****. You log in in the morning or at night you will NEVER get the queue. Thats the point

[merkichmirnie]

I dont know how many times i have to write same thing over and over. But there is 12000 people playing according to website and there is 1hour + queues at prime time because nobody wants to deal with that ****. You log in in the morning or at night you will NEVER get the queue. Thats the point

you actually think people don't do dungeons because they are oh so hard?
we have x3/x5 exp rates so way less people do <70 dungeons than on a x1 server.
many people prefer to do dungeons with guild/friends.
many people geared past normal dungeons.
many people dislike rdf.
we have fast and easy pvp gearing.
etc, etc.
there are way more dps than tanks and healers but queue times for 70 normals aren't 1h+ on average, even for dps.

what exactly do you expect to happen?

[Kalymako]

you actually think people don't do dungeons because they are oh so hard?

100%. its not only about not being to finish dungeon. Even if you have semi-competent group, because damage is so high your healer has to drink every pull and tank has to do small pulls. Some dungeons are close to 1 hour to finish. WIth bad group even longer if you ever get to finish. Everyone can do the math questing becomes more attractive option. And again 12000 people online prime time 1 hour in queue +

[merkichmirnie]

100%. its not only about not being to finish dungeon. Even if you have semi-competent group, because damage is so high your healer has to drink every pull and tank has to do small pulls. Some dungeons are close to 1 hour to finish. WIth bad group even longer if you ever get to finish. Everyone can do the math questing becomes more attractive option. And again 12000 people online prime time 1 hour in queue +

yes, questing is the faster way to level but what's wrong with that?
and yes, you have to do reasonable pulls and can't faceroll everything but what's wrong with that?
it still sounds to me that you just want dungeons to be so easy you can't possibly wipe and speedrun through them.

[Kalymako]

yes, questing is the faster way to level but what's wrong with that?
and yes, you have to do reasonable pulls and can't faceroll everything but what's wrong with that?
it still sounds to me that you just want dungeons to be so easy you can't possibly wipe and speedrun through them.

i only have 2 hours/day to play so i do professions and queue for dungeons while farming. I want to optimize my time playing. It literaly doesnt matter how easy normal dungeons are because they are literaly meant just for leveling. There would be no issue with it.

[merkichmirnie]

i only have 2 hours/day to play so i do professions and queue for dungeons while farming. I want to optimize my time playing. It literaly doesnt matter how easy normal dungeons are because they are literaly meant just for leveling. There would be no issue with it.

the classic optimizing the fun out of the game. believe it or not, some people enjoy leveling and don't only see it as a chore to get to the end game where they again have to do a lot of chores to be able to raid and get bis to be able to stop playing the game - why ruin the game for people who enjoy leveling? if you want to optimize leveling, stick to questing or pay a mage to boost you.

[Kalymako]

the classic optimizing the fun out of the game. believe it or not, some people enjoy leveling and don't only see it as a chore to get to the end game where they again have to do a lot of chores to be able to raid and get bis to be able to stop playing the game - why ruin the game for people who enjoy leveling? if you want to optimize leveling, stick to questing or pay a mage to boost you.

I only have 2 hours a day to play so yea i have to minmax my time. Doing professions while leveling like this is the best way to do it. And ruining game for people leveling? what are you talking about my point was people clearly dont want to RDF because its not worth it. Wtf

[Obnoxious]

And ruining game for people leveling? what are you talking about my point was people clearly dont want to RDF because its not worth it. Wtf

There are people doing it, and you want to ruin it for them because of your personal time availability issues. It's not going to happen.

[merkichmirnie]

I only have 2 hours a day to play so yea i have to minmax my time. Doing professions while leveling like this is the best way to do it. And ruining game for people leveling? what are you talking about my point was people clearly dont want to RDF because its not worth it. Wtf

so minmax properly and do quests, pay a mage or buy a boost. adapt to the game instead of demanding the game to adapt to you.
there are definitely people running dungeons and rdf is not the only way to do it.