WotLK Needing for enchanting

[Flinston]

And to be honest, people over 4k gearscore plays dungeons just for emblems, not for items. So why not just let enchants let them get some more of it? Greed is also an disenchant option in dungeon rolls becouse it's a 20 gold overall.

[OhieMitzen]

And to be honest, people over 4k gearscore plays dungeons just for emblems, not for items. So why not just let enchants let them get some more of it? Greed is also an disenchant option in dungeon rolls becouse it's a 20 gold overall.

Do you give tanks money to repair items?
Do you give tailors the cloth items that dropped?
Do you even thank healers for keeping you alive?

Yeah, you don't. Yet you want all the gear you can get to DE.

[Flinston]

I never heard tanks have repair possibility
If cloth are not rolled with 4 other guys then what the problem? They can put cloth on AH, but the prizes are so high so only lazy bombastics buys it
Yee, as a shiet lock I'm so thankful to healers and still giving them some mana recovery items, even with low gear score
But now u are devating way to far from the point of this post.
THERE IS NO PROOF TO CONSIDER A NEEDING ENCHANTER AS A NINJA LOOTER EVEN THERE IS NO ANY RULE LIKE THAT!!!
So people can stop bull****ting on in-game chat, even if I ask if I can go for it they got *** hurt some much and they won't agree. NOT EVERYONE but there are lot of rich people having problem. Considering it as a ninja looting means as breaking the rules of player, becouse there is nothing about needing for enchanter. If in the team is no enchanting then they are free, but why making problem if someone took enchanting and want get their things? If someone have problem, CLICK THE NEED AND GET 3G NOT 20G. In enchant eyes disenchant option makes it a need option to other players. Also there is no any rule that need is only for gear up, need item means NEED, not GEAR UP. Of course if someone really needs item to gear up, then ok. This way u making other player get better, moral justice. If someone will give me a proof that needing for enchanting is a ninja loot then I bow, but can't, becouse THERE IS NO RULE LIKE THIS. Even sever wrote nothing about it, needing as an enchanter makes the item need from them. If u are blacksmith, alchemy, skinner, leather worker etc... u don't need this item, u just get some money of it what makes a disenchant buttom a greed option, but with better result. So, if I get ban for a something that doesn't exist then lmao.

[Repost]

THERE IS NO PROOF TO CONSIDER A NEEDING ENCHANTER AS A NINJA LOOTER EVEN THERE IS NO ANY RULE LIKE THAT!!!

You're welcome to test that theory but don't get mad when you end up banned like everyone else who thought a dream shard is more important than someone else's roll. You need to either have permission from the group or not do it at all: those are the rules.

[angrylol]

We are so blessed. Now we have first and only Enchanter on Warmane. Now guys, lets all work together and be grateful that he allows us to NEED on gear we need to equip, when we lose NEED roll to him, we must whisper him respectfully and take 20mins to convince him that he is benevolent and should trade that upgrade to us, even if he says no, it's all right, he has highest morality and it's a fruit of his and his effort alone after all.

[Flinston]

We are so blessed. Now we have first and only Enchanter on Warmane. Now guys, lets all work together and be grateful that he allows us to NEED on gear we need to equip, when we lose NEED roll to him, we must whisper him respectfully and take 20mins to convince him that he is benevolent and should trade that upgrade to us, even if he says no, it's all right, he has highest morality and it's a fruit of his and his effort alone after all.

First of all, read my bulll**** text that I wrote, then speak. I do not want to steal any ones gear up item... Damn, what a smartcheeks

[Flinston]

You're welcome to test that theory but don't get mad when you end up banned like everyone else who thought a dream shard is more important than someone else's roll. You need to either have permission from the group or not do it at all: those are the rules.

Rules made up in few seconds on discord. My text is a simple explanation why it is not a ninja loot. Every logical thinking person would understand it.

[Flinston]

Pls don't ban me :))

[Flinston]

If u changing a meaning of need then add some gathering in dungeon for other profession, would be fair enough.

[angrylol]

By pressing NEED on thing you wont equip you steal it. 4 other members do not get their fair chance to GREED/DE on it, that is what you are stealing. Your enchanting materials are on the same priority as everyones materials, vendor gold or offspec.
You are incapable to grasp it, that is your problem. All you have to do is obey or get banned. Simple.

[OhieMitzen]

THERE IS NO PROOF TO CONSIDER A NEEDING ENCHANTER AS A NINJA LOOTER EVEN THERE IS NO ANY RULE LIKE THAT!!!

How do you need to do that, considering these exist:

What qualifies as ninja?

- Player need rolling (group loot) on items which he cannot even use.
- In RDF needing on items for Off-Spec (unless everyone in party is explicitly fine with this).
- Need rolling for other players to have 2 or more roll chances at one item.
- Kicking players from raid for no reason, especially before distributing loot from boss kill that they participated in.
- Master Looter taking items that were not reserved or giving them to players that did not win, unless it's 2nd highest roll when winner had no use for the item (rogue rolling on caster trinket).
- Changing looting rules during the raid, after it has started.Example: You joined a raid that was being advertised as one with no reserved items and after first boss raid leader says that he reserves item x from last boss.
- Player exploiting game bug to bypass master loot.
- Player need rolling on gear for transmog in areas which are not appropriate (Example: Need rolling on epic or rare endgame pre-raid gear)
- Player need rolling on gear which is clearly worse than what they had before, despite being for their current class and role

Color emphasis mine.
How are you gonna roll for that Blue ilvl 200 ring, when you have 251 ilvl rep ring and ilvl 245 emblem ring?
It's worse than what you have, and for "OS" need in that case you'd need 4 others to explicitly agree with your need roll.

You say there are no rules that states "you can't roll need for DE", did you forget there's no rule stating that you could?

[Flinston]

AngryLol -- We are not able to need gear We can't wear on RDF
OhieMitzen:
- Player need rolling (group loot) on items which he cannot even use. ^^^
- In RDF needing on items for Off-Spec (unless everyone in party is explicitly fine with this). -- profession isn't an off-spec
- Player need rolling on gear which is clearly worse than what they had before, despite being for their current class and role -- One that would consider as ninja looting, but if u disenchant that means u steal from enchanter. Enchanter disenchant item that is clearly worse, that's his profession.
"You say there are no rules that states "you can't roll need for DE", did you forget there's no rule stating that you could?" -- So it making it rule-less, what means I can do it.
I won't write more, cuz it's impossible to make your guys head open. But after all I want to say need means need, thank you.

[Flinston]

Enchanter disenchant item that is clearly worse, that's his gear*

[Aoto]

Just to be clear, you DO realize there are other ways for Enchanters to get lots of drops to DE, other than via RDF or buying them, right?

[Remagodx]

That's the problem, everyone can disenchant but not everyone can gathering for example.

Thats not even the same thing. Its not about mats, point is you cant need on item that you wont and cant use and thats considered ninja.