The alliance is exploiting the mechanics of exclusion from the battleground

[FORDPREFEKT]

Why is the Alliance allowed to exploit systems on this server to ruin the Horde experience?

The example I want to discuss is a deliberate AFK kick on Wintergrasp Lake. They win, and they diligently push the Horde into their camp, where they bombard them with every siege weapon they can.

This results in instant death for anyone who leaves the safe zone.

Those who remain in the safe zone are kicked for AFK. Even if they were fighting and dealing damage, apparently because the system assumes that if you're not TAKING damage, you're AFK.
Players who are excluded in this way, who tried to at least get some honor and kills, since it is impossible to win, receive nothing.

(I suspect that someone from the alliance is specifically logging into a Horde character in order to send out mass AFK reports to everyone at that moment, but I have no evidence of this.)

I'd like to see something done about this exploit, but I doubt it will.


P.S.: I'd also like to point out that I'm not complaining about the Alliance's overall victory, nor am I even complaining about the Horde's humiliation at respawn. I'm complaining about the obvious and well-known exploit of the AFK kick mechanic, which allows for the losing side to be bullied.

[Baartleby2]

Why is the Alliance allowed to exploit systems on this server to ruin the Horde experience?

The example I want to discuss is a deliberate AFK kick on Wintergrasp Lake. They win, and they diligently push the Horde into their camp, where they bombard them with every siege weapon they can.

This results in instant death for anyone who leaves the safe zone.

Those who remain in the safe zone are kicked for AFK. Even if they were fighting and dealing damage, apparently because the system assumes that if you're not TAKING damage, you're AFK.
Players who are excluded in this way, who tried to at least get some honor and kills, since it is impossible to win, receive nothing.

(I suspect that someone from the alliance is specifically logging into a Horde character in order to send out mass AFK reports to everyone at that moment, but I have no evidence of this.)

I'd like to see something done about this exploit, but I doubt it will.


P.S.: I'd also like to point out that I'm not complaining about the Alliance's overall victory, nor am I even complaining about the Horde's humiliation at respawn. I'm complaining about the obvious and well-known exploit of the AFK kick mechanic, which allows for the losing side to be bullied.

There is no exploit or "mass AFK reports", if you stay too long inside the graveyard and have the immunity, you'll get flagged afk automatically. The only way to reset it, is to leave the graveyard for a short amount of time, and then get in combat.

[5sg4eshjghj6sgg]

Alliance is definitely exploiting this and the proof is that horde never ever farm the alliance "at the camp", preventing anyone from playing the battleground.
This phenomenon is definitely absent on the alliance side. But the real problem resides in the AUTO-afk system, wich is completely broken and un-necessary in Wintergrasp. Please let the players play the game as it is intented to be. Thank you

[Baartleby2]

Alliance is definitely exploiting this and the proof is that horde never ever farm the alliance "at the camp", preventing anyone from playing the battleground.
This phenomenon is definitely absent on the alliance side. But the real problem resides in the AUTO-afk system, wich is completely broken and un-necessary in Wintergrasp. Please let the players play the game as it is intented to be. Thank you

Horde does it literally every single day as well, it just happens at night when the horde premades dominate WG.

The system is necessary, because you'd have half the raid afk in the graveyard every single game, like they did before it was implemented. There also isn't any way to flag players for being AFK in WG, so you can put that theory to rest.

[Obnoxious]

Please let the players play the game as it is intented to be.

Idling in graveyards and refusing to resurrect isn't how it's meant to be played.

[FORDPREFEKT]

No one was messing around. The current system is stupid. Because even if you fight and DEAL DAMAGE, you still get marked AFK. Is that really fair?

And is it really "refusing to resurrect" or is it really "not giving the alliance HKS is bad?"



P.S. I've never seen this from Horde players, but let's assume it does happen.

Isn't this a testament to the system's stupidity? If you're fighting, attracting tricksters trying to lure you out of the safe zone, and even manage to kill them, why does the game mark you as AFK? That's literally NOT true?

[5sg4eshjghj6sgg]

Horde does it literally every single day as well, it just happens at night when the horde premades dominate WG.

The system is necessary, because you'd have half the raid afk in the graveyard every single game, like they did before it was implemented. There also isn't any way to flag players for being AFK in WG, so you can put that theory to rest.

I'm gonna take a guess and say ... nope.

[5sg4eshjghj6sgg]

Idling in graveyards and refusing to resurrect isn't how it's meant to be played.

Yes it is. because when your team is losign and getting corpse camped and you instant die without being able to fight, the only sane choice is to wait while dead.
but your reasoning is flawed, and you think anti-afk makes sense. it does not. when people get corpse camped, they refuse to fight, which leads to the camping team waiting as well and getting nothing in returns. if we do that, they wont try to corpse camp because that would get them nothing and be boring. see ?
a little strategy is required. not only by not ressurecting we end the stupid corpse camp, we also avoid it in the future because then, everyone would know it doesnt work.

[Baartleby2]

I'm gonna take a guess and say ... nope.

You can "guess" all you want, it doesn't change the facts.

[5sg4eshjghj6sgg]

You can "guess" all you want, it doesn't change the facts.

Okay, please post a video then. i'll believe when i'll see it

[Shred]

Reading this thread reminds me that Wintergrasp is the most miserable experience that there is in this videogame. It's the worst of ioc + the worst of world pvp and then 10 times worse.

[Obnoxious]

Yes it is. because when your team is losign and getting corpse camped and you instant die without being able to fight, the only sane choice is to wait while dead.

No, you can just leave and take the debuff. Even better is being on a competent team that doesn't let it get to that point in the first place, but apparently some people can only work together when it comes to complaining.

"Waiting until they get bored" isn't strategy, you queues up to participate, not to wait in a safe corner, and if that's how you expect to play, we aren't the place for you.

[KingFlems]

https://imgur.com/a/Srfn5QN

Different times, different people doing the same thing, it's called a premade. Only Horde seemingly are dog kaka and like @Obnoxious stated, seemingly can only coordinate to complain, specifically, in PvP.

Enjoy your debuff or get good.

[Egg]

So you're saying the horde is so bad because they queued against a premade? Interesting
Remember when the WG portal got moved inside because the same alliance players would camp it outside for days on end to insta-kill anyone who used it? Yeah let's all enjoy the perfect systems made for alliance premades. At least thanks to mercenary mode and crossrealm alliance can also queue bgs against themselves ... oh wait. I do love the salt, tears and arguments people bring here tho, very high iq <3

[5sg4eshjghj6sgg]

No, you can just leave and take the debuff. Even better is being on a competent team that doesn't let it get to that point in the first place, but apparently some people can only work together when it comes to complaining.

"Waiting until they get bored" isn't strategy, you queues up to participate, not to wait in a safe corner, and if that's how you expect to play, we aren't the place for you.

This guy is on robot mode. he doesn't even know this thread is about wintergrasp not battlegrounds lol.