WotLK [Guide] Combat PvP Tips & Tricks

[Saitam]

Hey, guys....

Learn to constructively criticize, okay? I understand that we're all very smart, very classy people (that's why we play rogues), and we all have our own favorites and suggestions and little secrets that we think make ourselves successful...

But that doesn't mean that you should all take flaming dumps on one another on forums over it.

Swallow your pride, and post helpful information in a guide thread. Then go play the game. Sheesh.

[Mallet]

i did a half-page guide about mages, as well as warriors & palas, but molten forum fukced with me the only time for months now when i didn't ctrl+c my post and now it's gone... im not doing it again... just gonna say some stuff in general

warriors & palas die like dogs. warriors - dismantle vs retaliation, evasion vs bladestorm, anesthetic poison vs enraged regeneration, restealth vs defensive macro... palas - trinket vs HoJ, dismantle & evasion vs wings, restealth vs bubble, expose + kick vs healadins & tankadins

mage - force IB & blink, watch mirror images (water elemental is fine - blade flurry ftw) and Kspree. only fuking use KShot when blink is on CD. interrupt kitebolts with DThrow, remember that Sprint = gnome racial.

You know Warriors got disarm .. in defensive stance.. Also shield block+ revenge spam hurts you a lot and dispel evasion after bladestorm so he will just opower spam on u I hope i was helpful

[Kimblee]

People always say evasion against Bladestorm....
WTF? Y doesnt ppl know that dismantle u use on ****ing retaliation is pure gamechanging skill against bladestorm...
YES!! DISMANTLE DISARMS BLADESTORMING WARRIORS!!!!

[Ricks2]

People always say evasion against Bladestorm....
WTF? Y doesnt ppl know that dismantle u use on ****ing retaliation is pure gamechanging skill against bladestorm...
YES!! DISMANTLE DISARMS BLADESTORMING WARRIORS!!!!

NO YOU DONT DISMANTLE BLADESTORM

you dodged ALL of the whirlwinds from bladestorm and the ones that DO hit are reduced by 50% (hit for around 1000k crit) from feint

disarming storms is based on situation and not a must do type of thing

[Salabon]

People always say evasion against Bladestorm....
WTF? Y doesnt ppl know that dismantle u use on ****ing retaliation is pure gamechanging skill against bladestorm...
YES!! DISMANTLE DISARMS BLADESTORMING WARRIORS!!!!

Dismantle Bladestorm is sorta situational. You don't use it if you're the one getting spinstormed, but if it's like your Priest who is major choppable and you know he/she won't live through Warrior pain train sessions then dismantle is alright.

[Elfinn]

Hey, guys....

Learn to constructively criticize, okay? I understand that we're all very smart, very classy people (that's why we play rogues), and we all have our own favorites and suggestions and little secrets that we think make ourselves successful...

But that doesn't mean that you should all take flaming dumps on one another on forums over it.

Swallow your pride, and post helpful information in a guide thread. Then go play the game. Sheesh.

bump

guys lets take a chill pill aight? ive checked the combat build and its good.... now go and flame some other posts

[Jdoobs35]

So what are some good poisons to use while a Combat rogue? I currently roll Assassination, using Wound and Deadly. But I think it would be fun to try out a new secondary spec to see how well it works. I can remember several times when a Combat rogue would kick my *** within second; never giving me a chance to get a hit in!

Also, anyone have a link to a Combat build? Just need something to work a base off of.

[Ricks2]

So what are some good poisons to use while a Combat rogue? I currently roll Assassination, using Wound and Deadly. But I think it would be fun to try out a new secondary spec to see how well it works. I can remember several times when a Combat rogue would kick my *** within second; never giving me a chance to get a hit in!

Also, anyone have a link to a Combat build? Just need something to work a base off of.

read the first page maybe !?

[Jdoobs35]

read the first page maybe !?

Oh i did. but it didnt have any poisons from what i could see? And i didnt see a build? Maybe im reading it wrong? or maybe im supposed to know what to put the TPs under while avoiding the ones he is talking about? im sorry, im just not that savvy with the whole talent thing...

[taralej]

This is first and last time that I'll "pass by" what I have written in my signature. So expect this to be my last reply on this thread.

1. Precision 3/5 for hit rate obviously, why its not 5/5 emm ? BECAUSE I HAVE SOME HIT RATE ALLRDY

2.Srsly who the **** is so dumb to use double slow weapons, MH is soused to be as slow as possible and OH around 1.50... you must be ******ed, no wonder you're asking this,

3."combat needs more defenses then any other rogue build" Y ofc mate, "Riposete", Parry and Dodge is gonna help you ALOT against casters (I thought "Nerves of steel" is one of defensive talents)

4. Improved kick, um, why would u need 2 sec silence if target gets 5 second of GCD after being interrupted ? (or you're that bad you can't kick someone's cast so you need 2 sec silence)

5. Not evryone jumps around like a ****ing monkey.

Oh yeah, and nice gear & arena team u got. Stay small brah..

P.S. you should try playing some less complicated class,.. umm, like a ret pally or maybe warlock. ^_~

Oh my, abscent for a week & my thread goes boom by "pro trolls"...

1. Hit on gear or on talents? Decide already... Having both just forces you to always keep in mind your hit rating when getting a new piece of gear. It's not something that I would like to argue with you about. I just think that putting TPs in a stat that you can get from gear in a talent tree that is so TP-hungry regarding PvP is bad - my opinion. Don't flame it, understand it.

2. Killing Spree?

3. I actually mentioned that Nerves of Steel is a staple PvP defensive Combat Rogue talent. Did I say "casters"?

4. Oh, yes - there's your "casters"... So u fait nuubz hu stend laek idiatz uen u kik dem? And then you boast with the high ratings you have on a mid-rate realm - dude, seriously...

5. Moving does the same job as jumping for interrupting the DT cast - fail more please...
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You know Warriors got disarm .. in defensive stance.. Also shield block+ revenge spam hurts you a lot and dispel evasion after bladestorm so he will just opower spam on u I hope i was helpful

You know Combat has almost 50% avoidance (11% Parry & 35% Dodge), causing Disarm not to land half of the times. Even if it does - weapon chain.

You can Dismantle or kite him when he goes defensive.

Removing Evasion after Lolstorm with the Warrior having 100 Rage will result in MS, Hamstring & Rend landing immediately after the Overpower... You do *NOT* want this to happen. It has been talked over years that Evasion is GOOD versus Arms Warriors, because those 3 abilities that I mentioned up will NOT land. Claiming & acting otherwise will just increase the Warrior's Arena Rating.

peace^^

Edit: about Dismantle vs Evasion for Bladestorm - someone already mentioned that it's highly situational. My personal preferance is to use Evasion vs Lolstorm in 1v1 so that I can save Dismantle for Retaliation or Def macro and Dismantle vs Lolstorm in Arenas so that I can save my teammate. Simple.

[jicku]

Oh yeah, and nice gear & arena team u got. Stay small brah..

P.S. you should try playing some less complicated class,.. umm, like a ret pally or maybe warlock. ^_~

Remember your arena videos? Two button spammer implies that rogue is complicated class... What a surprise :O

[taralej]

P.S. you should try playing some less complicated class,.. umm, like a ret pally or maybe warlock. ^_~

Implying that you claim Combat is easy, yet you fail at it & claim it's bad for PvP...

[taralej]

Guy this is a good OH [Lionhead Slasher]? sorry but i cant find her link to the 3.3.5 version =S
pls i need to know

One-Handed Axe of 245ilvl
196.7 DPS
1.50 speed
58 Agility
58 Stamina
78 AP
39 Crit
39 ArP

= it's ****ing perfect

[Temo]

Im getting maces for my pvp spec, recently got a Blackhorn Bludgeon from Anub Arak, but i was thinking about the enchant to put on it...
I know the best encht for pve is berserking, a chance to get +400 AP. But is it the best for high burst dmg in pvp? Most of the time im just killing people either before they can do anything,or getting into fights that never last more than 15 seconds. When the first happens, people are used to let the stun pass and only trinket until the blind, so i have enough time to take them down. The second does happen often but again, sometimes i never get any berserk activated but after i spent all my cds on the enemy.

So my question is, is it still better berserking/mongoose/black magic for a pvp weapon? or am I just better enchanting for a fixed increase of AP/haste/something?

[taralej]

Im getting maces for my pvp spec, recently got a Blackhorn Bludgeon from Anub Arak, but i was thinking about the enchant to put on it...
I know the best encht for pve is berserking, a chance to get +400 AP. But is it the best for high burst dmg in pvp? Most of the time im just killing people either before they can do anything,or getting into fights that never last more than 15 seconds. When the first happens, people are used to let the stun pass and only trinket until the blind, so i have enough time to take them down. The second does happen often but again, sometimes i never get any berserk activated but after i spent all my cds on the enemy.

So my question is, is it still better berserking/mongoose/black magic for a pvp weapon? or am I just better enchanting for a fixed increase of AP/haste/something?

I get what you're saying. Back on WotLK's release when I was playing Sub & 41/5/25 I was enchanting for +65AP as well for the same reason.

It's a highly personal choice, of course, but I really think that Berserking's proc chance is high enough to be reliable, so imo you should keep it and not change it with an inferior, but permanent enchant.

peace^^