WotLK [Guide] Combat PvE

[massimo91]

Question 1: How many Hit Rating must i have with 5/5 precision? (for cap)

Question 2: Why my DpS on Dummy Sux? :o

[Temo]

1.- 3% is the bare minimum (for 8% on skills), but more hit doesnt hurt (as long as you have enough ArPen to cap or close to it) :)
2.- Dummies have no defense, and the stat is called "armor penetration"? xD

[massimo91]

exact hit rating u need : 17% ( spell hit ) - 5 % ( talent ) - 1 % ( heroic presence ) - 3 % ( misery ) = 8% ( spell hit cap )
why ur dps sux on dummy = the talent prey on the weak dont work on dummies cause dummies cant have less hp than u

They can, as % intended.

[massimo91]

its exactly work as % but dummies hp is sometimes 100% and sometimes 50% on molten
the times its 100% u cant check ur dps as a combat rogue

Indeed.

Anyway guys let's how for the imminent Update by molten: if they fixed the Hack n Slace we can pull a more considereble amount of dps with the Axes of ICC25 :cool:

[Loid]

not really
CQC almost = HnS
the amount of dps they increase is almost same
i puted both available BiS gears of molten in a spread**** and dps was same
the reason pplz say CQC is not good is crit cap that is reachable .. but if u manage ur gears and go for haste this problem will solve

What exactly is the problem with hack and slash here at molten, because I've spec with it and seen it proc too...?

[Loid]

proc rate is not correct

I hope they fix it soon, maybe even increase the proc rate, at least we could gain back some dps on non pure dps classes... Lolz

[taralej]

not really
CQC almost = HnS
the amount of dps they increase is almost same
i puted both available BiS gears of molten in a spread**** and dps was same
the reason pplz say CQC is not good is crit cap that is reachable .. but if u manage ur gears and go for haste this problem will solve

btw crit cap is broken too, HOLYs did a research on that long ago... so CQC ftw atm

still ppl take H&S over CQC just coz it's cool - just walk around dala and check the (not so many) combat rogues walking around

peace^^
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Guys, is it worth to get 4 pieces of t10? Im just wondering 'cause it seems to me its not that good actually. 13% for like 3/5 of 1 eviscerate and only when u use finishers. And if you have any list of bis items for combat rogue, post it please, id be grateful.

~MrSosoo.

Assassination Rogues use Envenom every 3-4 seconds. Combats use finshers... let's just say not-so-often, so there's your answer if the 4pc T10 Bonus is worth it. Even if 3cp Evisc would be a good DPS boost, it will barely proc.

On retail your BiS would indeed be 4pc T10. Here however it would be much better to stick with ArP gear simply because you can't get icc25 hc, lol. Get ArP gloves from ICC25 and crafted LW leggings, boots from Marrow25, neck from Sindy25, DBW ofc, EoF cloak, DBS25 bracers and Stakethrower from BQL and you're pretty much BiS... That guy's reply about the weps is correct - BB & Lungbreaker.

peace^^

[massimo91]

Maybe CQC = HnS but the issue is that the best weapons that a combat rogue can obtain in 3.3.5 are 2 Axes.

Then, in your opinion: is better go in CQC with Fist + Dagger or go with the best 2 weapons?


Anyway in the changelog there isn't any Rogue Fix ... sad. :(

[BubblePoP]

btw crit cap is broken too, HOLYs did a research on that long ago... so CQC ftw atm

still ppl take H&S over CQC just coz it's cool - just walk around dala and check the (not so many) combat rogues walking around

peace^^
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Assassination Rogues use Envenom every 3-4 seconds. Combats use finshers... let's just say not-so-often, so there's your answer if the 4pc T10 Bonus is worth it. Even if 3cp Evisc would be a good DPS boost, it will barely proc.

On retail your BiS would indeed be 4pc T10. Here however it would be much better to stick with ArP gear simply because you can't get icc25 hc, lol. Get ArP gloves from ICC25 and crafted LW leggings, boots from Marrow25, neck from Sindy25, DBW ofc, EoF cloak, DBS25 bracers and Stakethrower from BQL and you're pretty much BiS... That guy's reply about the weps is correct - BB & Lungbreaker.

peace^^

isnt bis is BB and 1.5 axe from icc25??scourbourn waraxe or something

[taralej]

isnt bis is BB and 1.5 axe from icc25??scourbourn waraxe or something

The axe you're talking about is from the only encounter which isn't available, lol

And why would you use a Fist weapon and an Axe at the same time? >.>
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the best weapons that a combat rogue on Molten-WoW can obtain in 3.3.5 are Fists and Daggers.

Fixed that for you...

[Turbokaka]

btw crit cap is broken too, HOLYs did a research on that long ago... so CQC ftw atm

Now tell me how it's broken.
Some changelog long time was "correction to crit rating/calculation" or smth like that. In a full buffed 25man raid im usually crit capped. On recount i see that its ~24% glancing blow, some miss on white attacks and other white hits are crit.

So, whats broken?

[akatsukiscorpion]

even with broken talents , after a certain gear level , HnS is still better than , CqC, because of raid buffs.

[PuzzleManiak]

HnS shares warr's sword spec's bug too, ie. it can proc from sinister/evis, effectively doubling it (I don't have any ss, but I had some nasty double 5cp eviscerate crits lately) . Imo fair trade for high chance of oh proc.

[akatsukiscorpion]

HnS shares warr's sword spec's bug too, ie. it can proc from sinister/evis, effectively doubling it (I don't have any ss, but I had some nasty double 5cp eviscerate crits lately) . Imo fair trade for high chance of oh proc.

if i'm not mistaken , it's supposed to work like that,
Y u no read talent

[massimo91]

The problem of Hack n Slace is the low rate procs (like 0.5%) far from the designed talent proc (5%).

Anyway with 5,3k GS ... 55% arp + trinket arp proc ... hit capped i'm doing to make 9k on ICC25 ... i wrong something? :(