Hello,
not sure if you realize how creative people are in terms of abuse when given chance. You decided to roll with HK based rank system in Vanilla and how did it turned out? AFK farming on the bridge. Barely anyone got banned for it.
What you do next? Instant 70 realm. PERFECT!
Imagine what will people do with such a tool. I will give you few examples.
AFKing their characters in BGs to gear them up effectively destroying any battleground PvP (not just AV) - don't even try to argue with ban system, because this even happens now just in smaller scale and no bans are happening.
After AFK gearing their characters they will be able to snipe or counter many of their competition or simply whoever they feel like because they will have many various setups ready.
I'm pretty sure people will come up with much more creative ways to abuse that system like they always do.
Maintaining many alts on Blackrock will be easy on the other hand maitaining competitive alts on Onyxia won't be which will lead to people either quiting or switching to Blackrock. That doesn't sound like something that is in Onyxia's best interest.
Best regards!
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Edited: September 10, 2024 Reason: typo
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This is incredible idea to add Blackrokc TBC! TBC HYPE, TBC HYPE!
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You guys notice, that its legit the same 5-6 people arguing in this thread right? It's not 99% of the onyxia pop being against it, just you 3 or 4 guys.
Again I think it's great, welcomes more players while not harming onyxia players (Im going to play one char on onyxia as well, now I can also play 2-3 more for pvp). This also increases Arena activity by a lot, no way does anyone have time to maintain 2-3 alts on a progressive server these days, assuming you guys have a job and friends etc.
Can't wait for a great TBC experience again, thanks Warmane!!
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Thank you for some information. I think I speak for the whole Onyxia community when I say that you guys NEED to be better at informing your playerbase. By just communicating more regarding every aspect and some ideas / polls will make the server a lot better in the future.
Now, it feels better knowing a few things, allthough I need to comment of what you said.
Quote:I want to start off with the idea of launching Blackrock TBC being key for a healthy pvp enviroment for Onyxia.
This is based on previous experience from Frostmourne and meassuring the pvp activity on Onyxia over the past months.
1: You think a instant 70 server will help the pvp scene on Onyxia, allthough Outland was ALIVE when you guys hosted it. BGs could pop at any time of the day all the way to the end of the server, I'm 100% sure that Onyxia will be the same. I understand that there are people that doesn't want the whole gameplay of tbc. Leveling, raiding, repfarming isn't for everyone and I understand your decision on this.
2: The PvP activity on Onyxia over the past months has been dead. Dead because there are 0 reasons for people to do BGs except "for fun".
The honor grind started in AV, people were AFKing alot and you guys are aware of this being a major issue since so many people have talked about it.
The R14 grind was the only reason, you can't even buy anything with the honor gained. Once majority got their R14 gear/weapons, the BGs died out.
All of this changes in TBC of course.
What are your future plans to deal with AFK-avoiding players from Blackrock? If they get reported and banned ( which people barely gets ) they can just make a new account, instant 70 and do it all again.
Anyways, thanks for clarifying some of the issues that made me personally most nervous about.Edited: September 10, 2024
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This is a slap in the face of the entire Onyxia community, which has grown here over the course of a year. Having talked to many GMs of the top guilds on the server, almost ALL are against this introduction.
You know, when I came to play on this server, almost everyone told me that the competence of the administration here is at a low level, now I am convinced of this myself.
You ruined PVP on Vanilla, you will ruin it on TBC too.
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If you have already chosen to go down this path of crossrealm arena, can we have two separate ladders, for Onyxia and Blackrock? Cause without there is literally zero incentive for us to level PvP alts on Onyxia - which is gonna harm the dungeon and raid activity in the long run.
Also, im not sure how you measure the PvP activity on Onyxia recently, but its quite obvious why its super low - there was basically no reason for anyone to do PvP with no Arena and the PvP rewards being weaker than raiding gear atm. I personally wouldnt make any assumptions based on that, as the real TBC PvP players just started playing PvE in order to prepare for TBC.
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So you want luck to decide who is gonna have the edge in same skill games when pushing for titles? Ill give you an example: I have raided every single raid ID except for two (vacation), seeing only one healing ring from MC in that time. Taking into consideration this RNG factor, how do you want me to loot council items in the future? Am i to balance out the difference between Blackrock and Onyxia for my PvP players, and punish PvE players with no PvP worthy loot? Or worst, should i yoink all items for myself first, so i can stay competitive for titles? This is gonna cause a lot of mess, and eventually force some PvPers from Onyxia to Blackrock, harming our PvE scene. By now we are all aware of the fact that you want to get 3k here and farm as many teams as possible, but please give it at least a try to understand the other side without pushing so hard for only your own interest. You are a new player and you care about yourself and maybe a few teammates only. Many of us who have spoken up here are trying to make this realm pleasant for hundreds of people around us, which takes a lot of time - and this is about to make it harder.
We chose this journey on Onyxia so we can have fun in a mixed environment of PvE and PvP, preparing to do our best on the known terms. With this change we are getting way worse odds in PvP, along with PvE problems which we have to fix ourselves. And that is not fair at all.Edited: September 10, 2024
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Crossrealm arenas between Onyxia and Blackrock is just going to be a ****show. This is a terrible idea and it gives a HUGE advantage to Blackrock players over Onyxia players ONLY if both players are on the same level.
Onyxia players will have to go through forming a raid - killing bosses - dropping the loot - getting the desired x loot. Meanwhile the same version of me on Blackrock who is on the same rating as me, can get that desired pve loot through arena points (which basically means my version on Blackrock has a 100% chance to get the item if they get enough arena points)
I wouldn't another version of me on Blackrock getting the desired loot through arena points while i have to sweat and pray for mine on Onyxia.
Like I said, this will only affect pvp players who are on the same level, a **** player on Blackrock will still get stomped by a good Onyxia player, doesn't matter what gear that Blackrock player has, and vise versa.
Keep Onyxia as it is, with its own player base, and you can keep Blackrock TBC to whoever wants to hop there and do some pvp against new players.
I really hope you get the point.
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we have multiboxing here that impacts the servers economy but somehow is no big deal to onyxia players.
afk can and will happen anyway no matter what staff will do unless they have gms online 24/7 to monitor it with or without a blackrock realm lmao
playing an alt also will not be as easy as you think on blackrock, if honor rate is x1 you have to play an absurd amount to keep up with enchants, gems, gear on all of your characters i am not sure if you are aware of this.
also since there is no arena point catchup system every alt is basically screwed if the content phases are short and you miss out on flushes because of how tbc/wotlk arena point system is designedEdited: September 10, 2024
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I understand the staff's intentions, but I felt this decision as a slap in the face of Onyxia's pvpers.
How can you even compare the two playerbase?
To get the right gear on Onyxia I have to spend time leveling, forming groups, doing reputations and attunements, going into raids, hoping that the item I need drops, and then rolling it against other 3+ players.
In the same 30+ hrs of playtime, a player on Blackrock will just do arenas and bgs to deterministically get the same items.
And even with identical gear, no wonder they will be better at pvp just considering the increased experience accumulated with that play mode.
Not the progressive experience that I was expecting one year ago when I started playing, and for me definitely a reason to quit playing (not that anyone should care about me, just sharing my thoughts).
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comparing onyxia to outland is just the worst comparison possible, i doubt we will see this level of activity on a tbc private server ever again. from a pvp standpoint onyxia would probably be on the same page as the second tbc medivh server if you still remember it
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Oh please, I will create 5 chars on Blackrock, afk/play them all at once and I guarantee you I will never get banned. And even if I do, I will instantly make another 5 ones and repeat. How am I going to do that on Onyxia?
You can super easily farm multiple characters on Blackrock and you don't even need to AFK or abuse anything. You just farm honor and then arena points by logging couple of games a week to have GUARANTEED best loot. While on Onyxia I will have 1 character after tens/hundreds of hard work with only a CHANCE at same loot, competing against other players in the raid.
Onyxia players will be at disadvantage, as has been properly explained here many times already. Regardless of some self interested people like Blakeatron who keep repeating the same, while people actually state proven facts how wrong he is.
But let's pretend for a second that those Blackrock players who are desperate for this cross-realm are correct and there is no (dis)advantage or whatever.
The main factor is being ignored here. And that is the wish of ONYXIA COMMUNITY which DOES NOT WANT this cross-realm to happen. Is it really that hard to respect Onyxia's people and their opinion about server they play on? Are you suggesting we are stupid and can't decide on our own?
This is the most ridiculous part of this topic, how "outsiders" are telling us - Onyxia players, what is best for us lol. We keep telling you no thanks, we don't want this, we don't need this. It is very obvious that people like Blaketron and others are urging this cross-realm only because they need us, not vice versa. Go play on Blackrock, have your own ladder and arena pool. And don't bother us with your opinions.
By the way, very easy solution would be to make a poll on Onyxia (like in the past with ZG and AQ20 reset ID) and let people decide there ;). But with some restrictions, like accounts with characters on level 60 existing only for over 1 month (at least) can vote. Otherwise all those cockroaches would level up chars just to influence the poll, like they are trying to do here in this topic.
Let Onyxia players, the real community playing here for months and people who are affected by this mostly, decide on what will happen.
And we all know how this poll would end up. That will shut mouth of many people here. Or probably not, because it is very clear from this topic, where people representing the opinion of whole guilds and therefore hundreds of players (yeh nice argument there are only 6 people typing or whatever rofl) already demonstrated Onyxia community does not want this Cross-realm with Blackrock, yet you still trying to persuade us how it will be good and healthy for Onyxia and other nonsense.
I would only like to add to Warmane stuff that we know you have good intentions. It is really appreciated. But this would only benefit Blackrock people, as we are trying to explain. If you really care about Onyxia's community and want to do the best for us, then please listen to us. You can see in this whole topic that we don't want this Cross realm. We don't find it helpful and we are against it. If you care, then please let us have the proper progression realm with no sudden changes like this one, which will only ruin the Onyxia experience.Edited: September 10, 2024
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very nice, im looking forward to cranking some bgs with you soon and nice challenging the gms, maybe note down this potential afk criminal!!
you will also lose your progress if you get banned on blackrock :D
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This sounds like a very bad idea. It will benefit Blackrock players more than Onyxia players.
BG's are gonna be a ****show.
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how? you most likely have 2 weeks (? to be announced) head start to prepare in advance compared to blackrock players since the server wont be open with tbc release immediately. once blackrock players join you will already have decent bg and heroic gear compared to full green blackrock players
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There are lot of points discussed in this topic.
Blackrock players are only trying to make this focused about single one – and that is trying to persuade other people how the cross-realm would not benefit Blackrock players only and how it is not advantage for them, even though it has been easily proven they are wrong.
However the other points, and much more important ones, are trying to be ignored here. As already explained in my previous message, the biggest and most important one is what Onyxia players want. Let us decide about us, not other people.
If you go with this cross-realm, then not only a lot of PvP players with one/main char will stop playing on Onyxia and will simply go play on Blackrock for the easy cheesy way out and free gear.
But most importantly it will affect all alt characters. I absolutely guarantee you that nobody will bother level up new char, spending another tens of hours for him to be ready to even enter raids and possibly get gear then. If they instead have an option to create instant 70 on Blackrock, where gearing is much easier.
And those alts could have been instead playing on Onyxia, doing all dungeons and raids, keeping the playerbase healthy and PvE environment alive. You see this Cross-realm does not affect PvP only, but it in fact heavily affects PvE as well. You will essentially decrease Onyxia’s population by this cross-realm. You will make the server more dead. How is this helpful for Onyxia anyhow?
This is why we keep bringing up the unfortunate Vanilla PvP system in place, based ok HK’s. Which made thousands of people quit Onyxia, who wanted to play all BG’s, premades and stuff, instead of just AV bridge farm. All those players could have been playing and raiding with the rest of us. It is really important to understand how these PvP decisions have great impact on whole community, including PvE players. So please don’t make the same mistake again. Listen to Onyxia’s community and don’t implement this cross-realm.Edited: September 10, 2024
