Blackrock TBC crossrealm fiesta

[Ephexd]

The other TR's didn't die because of toxic server communities. Also... I mean.... have you seen Onyxia global chat? The GMs do a great job banning people, but every other day I see 5 people getting banned for "Racism". Which is hilarious when it happens, but proof that toxic communities are in every server, all the time, no matter what. It's not just a PvP thing. Same with elitists. Tons of elitists in the PvP community, tons of elitists in PvE trying to parse.

The argument around arena points to purchase gear can be made both ways given Bobandy's post that he just sent. Now people on blackrock can't buy PvP gear as fast if they want that useless kara bow for whatever reason. Which would be foolish because, again, PvE gear makes much less of a difference than you're thinking it does. We have to wait an entire extra few flushes to get our PvE trinket along with our PvP 4 piece. You can get it in the first week the raid drops. That's WAY better for the Onyxia side.

I saw Onyxia Global yes. The same guy was spamming the same racist stuff and it took them 2 months to ban him. That is not a community issue but GMs issue.

However, I'm out of this thread. Glad we got official info at least.
Cheers!

[gabriel243]

"...for free..." :D

Hm yes, while in the instant server any item would cost arena points you can literally go icc25 rn and get 25hc gear without any rating req or arena point req if people carry you enough for example

[gabriel243]

is that fair while blackrock chars have to fight for their lives with 245 gear till 1800s where they can finally buy a 264 weapon fighting vs insane hordes of sm weilders?

[verksm]

Hey everyone

I've read through a lot of the mixed feedback here and would like to clear up the air a little bit.
I want to start off with the idea of launching Blackrock TBC being key for a healthy pvp enviroment for Onyxia.
This is based on previous experience from Frostmourne and meassuring the pvp activity on Onyxia over the past months.
The Blackrock TBC test server was just created to test out how this realm could look like.
Basing the costs of PVE gear equal to what the PVP gear cost as a start.

Gearing
Starter gear = Greens and quest rewards
Mid Tier = Honor PVP gear, Dungeons and Heroics
Top Tier = Arena points PVP gear and Raid gear

Both Onyxia and Blackrock will have one arena flush per week with increased arena points rates

Blackrock TBC will not launch on the same day as Onyxia goes TBC.
It will be launched when the realm has established at level 70 when the arena season starts.
So no "head start" for Blackrock and an upper hand for Onyxia considering having access to heroics and raids.

We are making adjustments for top tier PVE trinkets so it will cost arena points.
Reasoning that it will be gated by arena flushes and Blackrock having to decide if they want to give up arena points that they would spend on PVP gear but now obtain a PVE trinket instead for example

Enchants / Gems and professions will also be getting a honor cost.

I hope this cleared up some confusions

cant wait for onyxia players to complain about green geared blackrock players on their team :D

however its the right choice. thanks for your efforts

[Butkus]

Hey everyone

I've read through a lot of the mixed feedback here and would like to clear up the air a little bit.
I want to start off with the idea of launching Blackrock TBC being key for a healthy pvp enviroment for Onyxia.
This is based on previous experience from Frostmourne and meassuring the pvp activity on Onyxia over the past months.
The Blackrock TBC test server was just created to test out how this realm could look like.
Basing the costs of PVE gear equal to what the PVP gear cost as a start.

Gearing
Starter gear = Greens and quest rewards
Mid Tier = Honor PVP gear, Dungeons and Heroics
Top Tier = Arena points PVP gear and Raid gear

Both Onyxia and Blackrock will have one arena flush per week with increased arena points rates

Blackrock TBC will not launch on the same day as Onyxia goes TBC.
It will be launched when the realm has established at level 70 when the arena season starts.
So no "head start" for Blackrock and an upper hand for Onyxia considering having access to heroics and raids.

We are making adjustments for top tier PVE trinkets so it will cost arena points.
Reasoning that it will be gated by arena flushes and Blackrock having to decide if they want to give up arena points that they would spend on PVP gear but now obtain a PVE trinket instead for example

Enchants / Gems and professions will also be getting a honor cost.

I hope this cleared up some confusions

hmm not sure merging servers is a good idea...and why if Onyxia has arena and pvp why do you need a TBC arena realm?

Blackrock TBC is instant 70? what gear does one start in? can they get pve gear?what tier?
what pvp set will Blackrock TBC start with s1? and onyxia with have S1 then as well right?

Blackrock TBC players cant buy say swp gear/weapons can they?
do players on Blackrock TBC have to level professions? like to use blacksmith weapons..?or get professions bonus's?

how long are the seasons going to last?same for both servers? ratings on gear?

what about players on onyxia that pve and have to do rep grinds? Blackrock TBC doe snot need to do all that but have same access to gear?

how does a Blackrock TBC player get berserks call trinket as an example? can they? usually one has to raid to get that trinket..

no clue how Blackrock TBC gearing works

[wb9381]

this sounds like a really horrible idea, and kinda cheapens Ony players' PvP experience.

[ItsMardyVain]

Can't wait to buy my Warglaives for arena points.

[Mercy]

Well, next time please announce stuff like that instead of hiding it like it's damn gold.
At least we had a chance to give you our opinions which you don't even care about.

Thanks for working on a "healthy pvp environment for Onyxia" after discarding all of the suggestions from players on how to improve it in the first place.

Cheers broski.

We're not hiding anything. We're not "discarding" anything. We do care. We're trying things out that we think may work. Everyone has a differing opinion, and there are 29384723987 of them. We don't need to be implementing *all* of them, especially the ones that we tried before. Not a fan of what we'd like to try out? Give that feedback, I trust you can do so without being disrespectful about it. Otherwise, you might be happier playing elsewhere.

[Markola2]

Hey everyone

I've read through a lot of the mixed feedback here and would like to clear up the air a little bit.
..................

Enchants / Gems and professions will also be getting a honor cost.

I hope this cleared up some confusions

I mostly PvP, I don't like to raid because I think it's a waste of time.
I liked the idea of cross realm PvP. I don't think it will ruin Onyxia.
The ones complaining that it will ruin the experience and that Blackrock players are gonna be overpowered, probably just play arenas to boost their ego with their ratings and to show off.
I play for fun, for the love of the game and to improve, the more people playing together the better.

Edit: I will play on Onyxia.

[africansniper]

If cross realm Arenas and BGs are indeed implemented in the future. Can you at least make it opt-in only (like mercenary mode), where players can decide if they want to face players from the blackrock realm or not.

This would be the best decision made, transforming the cross-realm feature from a MAJOR issue to a minor inconvenience at worst.

[kazyzz]

I have a meeting and will respond to this post in a bit once I have time to read, but for now I'll also give my screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/tAEmDYI

you can link even rank 1 world screenshot and your argument will still be dumb because you dont think too deep, let me explain;
yes low /trash onyxia pvp player wont be impacted because you can give them all the bis gear they will still be trash BUT whats your excuse on some of the top/high skilled player from onyxia who will also que at the top 10 ranking with a basic trinket (because he couldnt get into a guild cuz hes a pvp player only) VERSUS a blackrock top player who will get his bis trinket because he doesnt need any guild, any explanation?

lets take an example if you still dont understand what people are saying;
lets take the class warrior = imagine a war druid mirror both top players, you have the blackrock one who will put zerk trinket from ZA and the other top warrior who can only play with battlemaster because he is a top player but cant have that trinket cuz of various reasons (no guild/didnt drop/etcetc)

[Butkus]

you can link even rank 1 world screenshot and your argument will still be dumb because you dont think too deep, let me explain;
yes low /trash onyxia pvp player wont be impacted because you can give them all the bis gear they will still be trash BUT whats your excuse on some of the top/high skilled player from onyxia who will also que at the top 10 ranking with a basic trinket (because he couldnt get into a guild cuz hes a pvp player only) VERSUS a blackrock top player who will get his bis trinket because he doesnt need any guild, any explanation?

lets take an example if you still dont understand what people are saying;
lets take the class warrior = imagine a war druid mirror both top players, you have the blackrock one who will put zerk trinket from ZA and the other top warrior who can only play with battlemaster because he is a top player but cant have that trinket cuz of various reasons (no guild/didnt drop/etcetc)

this was part of my question..

are you saying that players on blackrock can and will be able to get trinkets like berserks call without raiding? while players on onyxia will have to raid for zker call? drop rate. Progression. and blackrock players just buy trinket with honor or arena points?

again i have no clue how those realms work/gear

guessing they will do this very same thing for wrath?

[Blakeatron]

you can link even rank 1 world screenshot and your argument will still be dumb because you dont think too deep, let me explain;
yes low /trash onyxia pvp player wont be impacted because you can give them all the bis gear they will still be trash BUT whats your excuse on some of the top/high skilled player from onyxia who will also que at the top 10 ranking with a basic trinket (because he couldnt get into a guild cuz hes a pvp player only) VERSUS a blackrock top player who will get his bis trinket because he doesnt need any guild, any explanation?

lets take an example if you still dont understand what people are saying;
lets take the class warrior = imagine a war druid mirror both top players, you have the blackrock one who will put zerk trinket from ZA and the other top warrior who can only play with battlemaster because he is a top player but cant have that trinket cuz of various reasons (no guild/didnt drop/etcetc)

This has already been addressed, but we can do it again just for you.

Blackrock players will need to pay arena points for trinkets like this. So:

Onyxia player gets 4 piece season set from arena points while raiding every week. Chance of dropping and getting loot starting from first week of the season. Possible to have Zerker's call or other similar items week 1 in the season.

Blackrock player needs to buy 4 piece, never raids, then needs to save for additional time to buy the trinket. They'll get the trinket weeks into the seasons with no chance of getting it earlier.

It's variance vs no variance. Onyxia player can get lucky and get it weeks 1-3, or they can get unlucky and get it after. Blackrock player locked in on getting it several weeks into the season.

In the end where people are pushing for titles, everyone is the same and all is equal.

Onyxia has it better in this scenario in my opinion, but that's subjective.

[Vareesa]

We're not hiding anything. We're not "discarding" anything. We do care. We're trying things out that we think may work. Everyone has a differing opinion, and there are 29384723987 of them. We don't need to be implementing *all* of them, especially the ones that we tried before. Not a fan of what we'd like to try out? Give that feedback, I trust you can do so without being disrespectful about it. Otherwise, you might be happier playing elsewhere.

Well you never announced this when Onyxia was about to release. I guarantee you many people (including myself) would not even bother start playing on Onyxia.
And there are 29384723987 opinions, sure. But if you read the topic carefuly you see that 99.99% of those opinions, or rather straight up facts why this will ruin Onyxia's experience and why this is unfair are coming from Onyxia players. So why don't you respect the wishes of people playing on Onyxia, again? It is like you decide about us, without us. Sure, you are Warmane stuff so you have the right to do that, but then please don't say something like you have taken opinions into consideration because you completely ignored Onyxia's people.
It is like I visit a doctor and there are choices about my surgery. I tell him what I would like and then total strangers sitting in the waiting room come in, tell the doctor their "opinions" and he goes with that instead. This is actually ****ing insane.

I really wish you listened to Onyxia community this time. You did not back at the start of the server about the PvP system and how did it turn out? The server has half the population it could have. Please, don't make the same mistake again. Just let Blackrock people have fun on their server but don't mix it up with Onyxia.

[Sunite]

Hm yes, while in the instant server any item would cost arena points you can literally go icc25 rn and get 25hc gear without any rating req or arena point req if people carry you enough for example

You are so dumb that I'm going to reply to you only once.

First of all you need 24 other people to go into ICC25 for "free gear".
Second show me the guild which will take my naked character and boost me through ICC25 and give me all the gear mentioned as "free".
Third, you seem to forget that Onyxia will be moving to TBC where no gear is free and everyone will want to upgrade their stuff you are comparing apples and oranges. Not to mention there is a rep grind and attumes before you can even enter Karazhan. I can tell you have never played anything else beside ICC.

It's variance vs no variance. Onyxia player can get lucky and get it weeks 1-3, or they can get unlucky and get it after. Blackrock player locked in on getting it several weeks into the season.

In the end where people are pushing for titles, everyone is the same and all is equal.

Onyxia has it better in this scenario in my opinion, but that's subjective.

Wrong.
You can still get unlucky and never see it drop or win it. Our Naxx loot since release can be good example.

On the other hand as you said, Blackrock players will get it and they will know exactly when.

This is all fantastic, thank you. Great re-works and awesome design for gear on the TR. Do you know if you'll include glaives in S3 or is that still undecided?

Oh boy here we go...why am I not surprised...