Your saying, There's no hard classes but then goes, "every class is hard to master" maybe thats why you dont master classes? cause its too hard, no wait there is no hard classes, wait what?
You never mastered it yet say it's the hardest to master...
What I was implying from the start was based on normal Raid boss fights, if you want to dps race with your class (wich almost everyone does) what is actually the hardest class to play? Oh and dont even start with the "im sucha fking elit I care about people being alive rather then dps" Cause almost everyone cares about Damage done and topping meters.
What if I told you I have done more LoD's then you, still feel superiour? I mastered every 10 classes without donating anything, still feel "Elite and Pro?"
Again far from the truth, Its not "all" about 1 guy topping dps, Its about if raid comp is good for him, whats his Latency, computer, how bad is the other people he is compeeting against? if he tops the dmg on hunter then go on retribution paladin and top, it just shows its all about how fking bad the raid is in general, not how pro he is, some classes DO more damage then others and thats a fact you cannot deny, so saying its "all about the player"...
Allthough ALOT is about the player but if your from china with 350 latency it dosent matter how good of a player you are.
When I start play a new class I learn EVERYTHING about it, I never just play it without "mastering it" so once again, saying Im a bad player when you dont even take the time to learn your characters, specially when you say And dont even know your talents, just shows how full of sht you are.
The topic writer wanted to be needed in "dungeons and stuff" and wanted to know if he should make DK or Rogue, you stray very off topic to make yourself look pro when in reality, you look far from it.
So once again, il advice you to stop before you sink even lower.
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Edited: March 21, 2016
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That would be your opinion, at least retail has more content than Wrath/Cata/Vanilla/BC. Which is a fact.
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Savage Combat increases physical damage taken by the target by four per cent, which is identical with Blood Frenzy. These two have nothing to do with armor debuffs, such as Sunder Armor, Expose Armor, Faerie Fire, or Curse of Weakness.
@OP - I'm gearing up a rogue on Ragnaros right now and in dungeons I tend to do around 40% of the total damage myself (keep in mind most people ask for +5k GS for RDF Hc for "quick" runs), while in raids I out-DPS people with over 6k GS. If that doesn't show you how important a DPSer can be if played well, nothing will.
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Skill cap for rogues is higher on this server because it doesn't suffer from positive bugs or exploits like a variety of other classes and specs. Doing well in raids is harder than it was on retail(rogues facerolled their way to top 3-4 dmg specs in meters from vanilla to wrath). Just the way it is. Not impossible, just harder.
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Why not both? Both are awesome and fun. You have to decide which one suits you better.
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Hhahahah. You still don't understand it. Such a poor guy. Dude first you need to learn basics of Logic as a science, and especially Boolean algebra.
"There are no hard and easy classes." Now pay attention at operator "and". After that go to Wikipedia and learn what this type of statement means.
But in short, for this statement to be true there must be both hard and easy classes. Since there are only hard classes (to master) the statement is completely true because operator "no" negates everything after it, and it finds its support in second statement which I just mentioned.
Secondly, i never said only one guy is topping the dps. I said "same people topping the dps with different classes". That surely is more then one. And circumstances are the same as well as raid composition is the same and ultimate, with every possible buff a class can have. So again you are failing the logic.
Now I understand you play in some trash Guild where Hunter and Warrior are top dps whatever players are participating the raid but that is not the same thing with pro guilds where Unholy DK, Warlock, Rogue, Paladin and everyone else topping the dps is a common thing.
As I said before, it is all about player.Edited: March 22, 2016
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Don't try to fight over grammar, please. It's pathetic.
Unholy DKs and Rets never topped any meters. Rets were only high on Molten because of multiple old bugs. The highest DPSers of WotLK on retail (seeing that you're talking about retail, otherwise you wouldn't mention UDKs on Warmane) are Fury Warriors and TTW Mages, followed by Combat Rogues. That's not made up nonsense, that's statistics. Nothing on WotLK beats an ArP-capped Smourne + Gloren Fury Warrior in a tank and spank fight. If it does, then the warrior is bad - really simple.
Then also - Ret skillcap is quite low for PvE where you just have to mash your keyboard prioritizing Judgement>DS>CS>etc. It took me around half an hour bashing a dummy to learn a Ret's priority as if I've known it my whole life. The rune system of DKs by default means that they have rotations. Rotations can be learned. And that's the end of their skill cap. Pretty much every class has its own rotation/priority system and once you learn and can apply it effortlessly in raids, it means you've reached the point of mastery with the spec. Try feral druids and enhancement shamans in PvE and then we'll talk about high skill cap.
Also, what you're talking about is individual skill with each class, as opposed to what we're talking about, which is what each class can do. You see the difference? We're talking about max numbers, you're talking how "it depends on the player". We're talking about best performance here, you're talking how Rets top DPS meters. Yes, I've topped many meters with Rets. Does that mean that Rets are WotLK's top DPS class? Hell, no. It just means every single one from the rest either sucked or was undergeared. In most cases it's the first. I dare say around 60-70% of the people who play this game are below average in terms of skill, but again this is not the point and we've gone way off-topic now.Edited: March 22, 2016
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What?? it's not because you've started to play in Mop you must say that BS^^,
lol what's so important on retail nowadays : i won't talk about grinding arf, took me 4hrs/played to go from 90 to 100 with my mage and all other toons i have
pet battle?, Garrison :D, a meta achievement to have the right to fly and then get that so rare mobs with Npc scan? Tanaan? to get some trash lvl 650 gear? nooo i get it, it's Ashran right? the pinacle of pvp in WoD or at least you've paid 80k gold to get the mount on Archi mythic with a top..ahemm raider guild and afk in Ashran to show how good you are^^
yeah you are right so much to do in a few hours on retail, Légion will be worst, even there won'T be garrison anymore or you'll get a artifact which Blizz already stated will stand only for one expension, (1 yr) but be happy, PvP will be awsome everybody with the same stuff and go ''FIGHT'' will see the best of the best for once..
on Topic, go with the rogue, after a war in vanilla, i've rolled mine for KZ and never looked back until i stop in Cata, it's fun to play and so overpowered (even in Assassination spec which i love the most) and well, i don't like Dks :P, finaly as Gunrak says, play both and find what is best for you, but rogue is better ---[]
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Those were examples that Retail has more content, this isn't saying I started in MoP. I didn't think I would had to name every expansion/base game to prove a point.
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alright then, but, even you've started in Vanilla , you have no point^^, seriously
i'm not saying Vanilla or TBC get more to do or even LK, i say what's defined ''more'' here?
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I wasn't talking about individual expansions, I am talking about all the content available at Retail.
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I try to but you swap subjects more then... I donnu just to win a arguement, you dont even try to understand what Im trying to explain to you, you act like a kid seriously try listen to the points that made sence instead of quoting whatever you can to swap subjects even more.
Failing the logic by saying that Latency has a huge roll in people's dps / healing etc? Failing by saying that some classes DO more damage then others? Who again is failing to understand this "logic"? Cause I this is what we talked about. You say that "circumstances are the same", do you even realise that Latency changes ALOT from what country you come from, and not even that but internet speed itself has a huge roll, not to mention that in a guild you have people from all over the world, so people dont have the same circumstances unless you all play from your dad's basement.
SO let me try make this easy for your peanut brain, Those people that are infact topping damage done, they have a latency around or under 50. While people whos around 200 cannot. So saying "its all about the player"... you have no idea.
Wow, this statement when you have absolutely no idea what so ever... the ignorance in this guy is so strong sht is flying out of his ears, Best Guild in horde side on Ragnaros with 4 LoD's and 4 Rs 25 HC every week.
We have different people and classes top damage done all the time, There, another statement you failed compleately.
Trying to explain simple logics to you who dont even WANT to listen makes me ignoring you from here on.
You just hit rock bottom.Edited: March 23, 2016
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Disktrasa going to have to disagree with you that top dpsers have around 50 latency, i play with 350-500 ms and i still top the charts regularly.
Being top dps comes down to the players awareness of his positioning and incoming spells that may affect their performance during certain encounters. Ofc this applies to the fact that you know your class rotations aswell.
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Well I have to disappoint you. Unholy DK can top the DPS. And if it can top the DPS on Molten, where it has bunch of critical bugs with spells, runes, pet and Gargoyle it could do it anywhere. There was only few players who play it correctly, even on retail.
This is me, second DPS on DBS. I would be first if huntard wasn't spammed with Hysteria and tot, which I never get.
http://i.imgur.com/PwFGUkE.jpg
Here I am rightfully second, because this mage knows how to play.
http://i.imgur.com/if76yXp.jpg
And here I am first on Lich King
http://i.imgur.com/z8oqhrH.jpg
Now. I tested the Unholy DK on Lordaeron PTR and it does 10% more damage then on Deathwing. And it still has some bugs, especially Scourge Strike - Shadow part of damage. Today they changed the core, seems like. And I will come to you with more images here to show you that it is all about player.
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I'll have to disappoint you too - if you're topping meters with Unholy, then either the spec has more positive bugs than negative or your guildies suck. Unholy is NOT a top DPSer on WotLK, assuming equal gear and skill. But then again, you're showing me only fights where there are adds (Wandering Plague).
Show me a proper Recount on Festergut, with BiS geared Fury Warrs, Combat Rogues and Fire Mages also in the raid (assuming those Fire Mages don't get Vile Gas). If you're still first, then again - Unholy is either positively bugged, or your guildies suck.
