SoloQ in TBC ?

[Obnoxious]

To a certain degree, however we should expect minimal restrictions such as no class stacking, no tripple dps aka needing at least 2 healers to start a game but no double or tripple heal on the same team and so on, if Solo queue will be added, right?
Though some double heal variations paired with a dps such as resto druid/disc priest + warrior/rogue/hunter/warlock or resto shaman/holy paladin + warrior are all viable comps but when matched with other classes it is a different topic.

Or would it be completely random without any restrictions? Anyway it would make sense to not reward it at the end of seasons because the game mode is as far from being competitive as possible in a game like Wow.

I'd expect it to work the same as solo queue works elsewhere in our servers. Perhaps some minor things specific for Burning Crusade, I don't know, but I doubt any massive overhaul from the bread & butter.

Personally I see solo queue as the "fast and lazy" cousin of arenas, a strictly for fun thing, as it does away with the most significant part of what arenas are about - the commitment to teammates, the investment of time to learn to work together in sync - (and I don't even care about PvP), but as there are arena season rewards for the "bracket" in the other servers, it's likely to be the same on Onyxia.

[Butkus]

I'd expect it to work the same as solo queue works elsewhere in our servers. Perhaps some minor things specific for Burning Crusade, I don't know, but I doubt any massive overhaul from the bread & butter.

Personally I see solo queue as the "fast and lazy" cousin of arenas, a strictly for fun thing, as it does away with the most significant part of what arenas are about - the commitment to teammates, the investment of time to learn to work together in sync - (and I don't even care about PvP), but as there are arena season rewards for the "bracket" in the other servers, it's likely to be the same on Onyxia.

yeah i always felt the same even more so about 2v2 in wrath.. 2v2 was scrapped by blizz mlg+ everyone else well after s5 and the rest of wrath.
broken and could not be balanced people run 2v2 cause its easier to find 1 person then 4 other.. same reason why its hard to get 10 for rbgs.


"it does away with the most significant part of what arenas are about - the commitment to teammates, the investment of time to learn to work together in sync - (and I don't even care about PvP)"

you are 100% correct i could not agree more! this is why i think its a bad idea for different servers like blackrock and onxyia to be seperate. cant really "commitment to teammates" when some are on different servers and you cant play with them.

so there will be a solo q on blackrock but no onxyia?
players on onxyia still cant group with and play with people from blackrock correct?any plans to change that? why are you guys against onxyia and blackrock players grouping up?x server and all right?

not sure if i missed the news?are you guys not allowing 5v5 on onxyia?

[Obnoxious]

so there will be a solo q on blackrock but no onxyia?

I didn't say anything one way or another, just replied to the expectation of balancing measures if solo queue was to be implemented in Onyxia.

why are you guys against onxyia and blackrock players grouping up?

For starters, the rewards for each server are separate. That has always been the case when there was cross-server. There are also people who want separate ladders on top of that. Neither of those things work with cross-server teams.

not sure if i missed the news?are you guys not allowing 5v5 on onxyia?

Where did you pull that from?

[Butkus]

Just found this old screenshot of Outland TBC and that was in the middle of the season. I remember that on season end there were over 10 team with +2k rating in 5s. 5s was a competitive bracket back then.

@Warmane
Pls don't kill the 5s bracket. Many specs such as Hpala, BM hunter, Destro lock, ret pala or ele shami were only viable in 5s arena in TBC.

everything you said in your posts about 5v5 is true
i ran 5's alot on outland with a very cool group of players nothing hard core but fun. best points by far and 5's are a fun.
1800+ so we were not to far from that top 20 and im a little shocked by that.. but maybe with fewer teams there was less wiggle room to gain rating but still fun.

off the top of my head 1800+ 5 man is what 550 ap?

yeah h pally were one of the best 5 man healers and rets were used as well. think we usually ran double war h pally d priest and a shammy or ret.. just for funs and it was. i don't like spell cleaves.. lol.

on outland 5v5 was active
outland was such a great server

[Butkus]

I didn't say anything one way or another, just replied to the expectation of balancing measures if solo queue was to be implemented in Onyxia.


For starters, the rewards for each server are separate. That has always been the case when there was cross-server. There are also people who want separate ladders on top of that. Neither of those things work with cross-server teams.


Where did you pull that from?

it was a question and from reading this thread

after that one long onxyia thread.. i stopped.. so i just pop in from time to time to see if any official announcement from you guys has been made. no not "when" is tbc but things like can we group with BlackRock players solo q's 5v5's or gear access/ ratings or the like.

"it does away with the most significant part of what arenas are about - the commitment to teammates, the investment of time to learn to work together in sync - (and I don't even care about PvP)"

again you are 100% correct even more so when you cant play with them or even have the option to.

sniping I think its called? yeah...there will be plenty.

[Obnoxious]

it was a question and from reading this thread

You were fishing for an answer.
You need a decade or two more and to do a lot better with your fishing than that.

No, the loaded question about cross-server teams wasn't you "getting me," the answer you got is a conclusion anyone could reach - if they took the time to think.

[Butkus]

You were fishing for an answer.
You need a decade or two more and to do a lot better with your fishing than that.

No, the loaded question about cross-server teams wasn't you "getting me," the answer you got is a conclusion anyone could reach - if they took the time to think.

what are you talking about? Getting you? getting you with what for what? i asked simple question...

"You need a decade or two more and to do a lot better with your fishing than that"

your backhanded insults i dont like and it was 100% my mistake for even loging in to ask such a question.. sorry.

"it does away with the most significant part of what arenas are about - the commitment to teammates, the investment of time to learn to work together in sync - (and I don't even care about PvP)"

[Vareesa]

The same thing happened on Retail during Dragonflight when Solo Shuffle was implemented as a game mode, while the game mode itself rose in activity it caused a lot of players to move away from the traditional brackets causing them to drop heavily in activity.

You and your theories again. If you actually played Dragonflight (a lot, at top ratings) you would never say such a bull**** lol. What is it with you, spitting totally random nonsense and lies without any single evidence? Literally every single time?
Shuffle had about the same attendance throughout the S1, then dropped drastically later, with literally zero impact on other brackets (don't make me waste time and destroy you with screenshots and real evidence again please...)

But other than that, I agree Solo queue is bad for TBC. Private servers with much smaller player base than retail have proved many times, that 3v3 and especially 5v5 bracket is very hard to "keep alive". And solo queue definitely does not help that. A lot of "random players" simply go and join solo queue, instead of taking the 5 minutes effort to find 2 other random team mates to get 10 games for points (or play for real) which makes the brackets active on daily basis.
You know what is funny? This is the exact principle as how bad for Onyxia server the cross-realm with Blackrock is. The same way solo queue will drain players from 3v3/5v5 - Blackrock will drain PvP players from Onyxia, butching the population there. Same logic - no effort, just free pew pew.
Irony, hm? ;)

In any case, despite you and Blakeatron pulling out random wannabe facts from your magical bag of lies and mysteries, spamming the forum and replying to every single message which goes against your personal agenda, you won't have any impact. Because if Warmane has already decided whether the solo queue will be implemented or not, it is done. But it would be funny to see you struggle against something what you don't like for a change.

[verksm]

I'd expect it to work the same as solo queue works elsewhere in our servers. Perhaps some minor things specific for Burning Crusade, I don't know, but I doubt any massive overhaul from the bread & butter.

Personally I see solo queue as the "fast and lazy" cousin of arenas, a strictly for fun thing, as it does away with the most significant part of what arenas are about - the commitment to teammates, the investment of time to learn to work together in sync - (and I don't even care about PvP), but as there are arena season rewards for the "bracket" in the other servers, it's likely to be the same on Onyxia.

Thanks, makes sense, it has to be adjusted slightly to match TBC a bit more as I explained in some previous posts, however the core design is decent with duo queue, being able to blacklist players you do not want to be matched with and stuff. This is all hypothetical as we do not know if we will get a solo queue game mode to begin with yet.

And yes I totally agree with you on your view about solo queue, by the way should I post suggestions about a possible solo queue design in the "suggestions" or "blackrock" forums or just keep it in this thread?

[verksm]

You and your theories again. If you actually played Dragonflight (a lot, at top ratings) you would never say such a bull**** lol. What is it with you, spitting totally random nonsense and lies without any single evidence? Literally every single time?
Shuffle had about the same attendance throughout the S1, then dropped drastically later, with literally zero impact on other brackets (don't make me waste time and destroy you with screenshots and real evidence again please...)

But other than that, I agree Solo queue is bad for TBC. Private servers with much smaller player base than retail have proved many times, that 3v3 and especially 5v5 bracket is very hard to "keep alive". And solo queue definitely does not help that. A lot of "random players" simply go and join solo queue, instead of taking the 5 minutes effort to find 2 other random team mates to get 10 games for points (or play for real) which makes the brackets active on daily basis.
You know what is funny? This is the exact principle as how bad for Onyxia server the cross-realm with Blackrock is. The same way solo queue will drain players from 3v3/5v5 - Blackrock will drain PvP players from Onyxia, butching the population there. Same logic - no effort, just free pew pew.
Irony, hm? ;)

In any case, despite you and Blakeatron pulling out random wannabe facts from your magical bag of lies and mysteries, spamming the forum and replying to every single message which goes against your personal agenda, you won't have any impact. Because if Warmane has already decided whether the solo queue will be implemented or not, it is done. But it would be funny to see you struggle against something what you don't like for a change.

Yes go on please post your 1000 screenshots and what else you can pull up your sleeve because so far you also said basically nothing at all, besides saying my information is "wrong". In case you lack basic reading comprehension while you always find a way to try and personally attack or harass people in this subforum, some people actually try to put out arguments and structure them, do you want me to go my way and include a statistical breakdown of how arena population shifted from traditional brackets to solo shuffle in a forum that does not even allow to include images and stuff like that? Just google and you will come to the same conclusion.

I am giving feedback and possible solutions in case you still lack basic reading comprehension, I said I am against solo queue IF it comes in the form of rewarding season end titles and mounts but I would be fine with having it as a for fun game mode to play during off-hours and "practise" a bit if it is even possible in a setting like that. I will still play it regardless, just explaining why I think it is bad and does not belong here.

Feel free to use the block feature if all you want to do here is harass and go on a verbal diarrhea insulting spree every time you use your keyboard.

Still did not entirely get behind your obsession with Blaketron but to be quite honest his style of writing and treating others is more on your level, as believe it or not, we are still two different people but nice you want to go back to where you stopped a week ago and turn every feedback and discussion post into personal feuds.
Not sure why I am even replying to you as you are one of the least interesting posters in this subforum with zero intention of having a debate or bringing up any valid arguments or solutions, just straight up hate and rage-posting every time, your "agenda" of anti Blackrock this, Blackrock AFK in BGs that while everything is currently happening on Onyxia already (see post AFKs in AV) also makes no sense at all, please come back if you are interested in actually working topics out because so far you just look like an upset person and there is zero reason to continue like this as it will only lead to moderators removing these useless posts. If you want to continue flaming, feel free to DM me but it does not belong in these threads.

[Vixpb]

let there be a fight
it seems to me that many of us have long been bored with the old wow tbc and in 2024 we need to come up with something new for warmane to make this patch fun and interesting compared to other servers so that it can compete,
we need to interest people to increase the number of online on the server
and not just like it was on the classic off wow tbc-classic
that the game was so easy that there was nothing to do there,
I want this TBC warmane to be much more interesting than all the others that I have seen

[jmsvanbuskirk]

5 v 5 was active in Outland just because of points, 3 v 3 was near dead. Because of this 5 v 5 wasn't really competitive, you got some friends or pugs together and it was basically battlegrounds in a smaller area. And honestly it was more a chore to gather the players just to get points.

So my argument would be to put in Solo Queue in place of 5 v 5 as the points earning arena, but actually make it 5 v 5 instead of 3 v 3. I think it's basically the same concept. More players I think also is friendlier to other classes that just want points for gear to play in battlegrounds and it's just way more fun when you take strategic advantage out and add chaos in that setting.

[Brutone]

5 v 5 was active in Outland just because of points, 3 v 3 was near dead. Because of this 5 v 5 wasn't really competitive, you got some friends or pugs together and it was basically battlegrounds in a smaller area. And honestly it was more a chore to gather the players just to get points.

When a arena bracket is active its always competitive.
The bad teams stay low while the good teams climb the ladder and on top there are only skilled teams fighting against each other. That logic applies to any bracket, no matter if it's 2s, 3s or 5s.

[jmsvanbuskirk]

When a arena bracket is active its always competitive.
The bad teams stay low while the good teams climb the ladder and on top there are only skilled teams fighting against each other. That logic applies to any bracket, no matter if it's 2s, 3s or 5s.

Not competitive as in the teams are not running ideal comps or any sort of complex coordination or communication. And 5 v 5 was just a point farm so it wasn't battling it out for the top spot to get any kind of reward.

[Santori]

When a arena bracket is active its always competitive.
The bad teams stay low while the good teams climb the ladder and on top there are only skilled teams fighting against each other. That logic applies to any bracket, no matter if it's 2s, 3s or 5s.

Sorry, what? Where do you see top teams fighting each other? The most fights i ever saw was who is gonna farm lowbies the most while managing to dodge the teams which they can loose to.

We all know how it worked - farming fresh teams, asking guildies or randoms in global to queue 5s for 10 games, or straight up win trading. For me thats all the same category, and there is nothing competetive about that.