Multiboxing on Lordaeron | Yes or no?

[wezcc]

"We also bring extra fun to the game." You are so selfish man. 90% of thr ppl here think you are ruining the game experience and you describe yourself as a super hero who improve the fun of everyone... plz

We do, for people that adore world pvp. Like it or not , not everybody hates multiboxers, deal with it! we don't only "ruin other's experience" Plus, a Multiboxer can be avoided easily.

[Stampelle123]

Hello Warmane.
I'm talking to you now.
The majority of new players are not so much informed oabout exploits, hack, MB and other kind of abuse.
A new player just see 30 shaman flying staked all togeter with a very unnatural effect placing 120 totem on him in a non contested area.
Since 99% of the players are against hack, exploits and abuse this can piss off many new comers and make them go to retail or change game at all.
A server without new players is a very sad server and discouraging new comers could be really dangerous for Warmane.
I just hope that a staff member will read this post.

Thx for attenction.

A old Loyal Molten/Warmane player


http://forum.warmane.com/showthread....s-or-no/page32

[Jakkre]

All that says is that you don't look at it like a normal player and can only offer a biased opinion.

I indeed look at it as a normal player because im also single boxing.

Regarding the amount/frequency, that's a non-issue.

When the frequency is not a issue then I dont see the problem at all.

Otherwise, if it's so infrequent and rare, why have it at all? That kind of argument works both ways.

Because we multiboxer are also part of the community and we donate and play on Molten for several years now.
Why do u wanna exclude us when we are too unfrequent to affect ur game experience?

[Obnoxious]

You can't declare yourself "a regular player" when you're a multiboxer, sorry. As I said, you can only offer a biased opinion. You "don't see how it makes a difference" because you want to multibox. Do you think it's a coincidence that no multiboxer is coming here say there should be no multiboxing?

You can still play on all other servers if this is decided to not be allowed on Lordaeron.

"Why do you want to override what most players might want when their complains about multiboxers are way too frequent, enough to show it affects their game experience?"
All the arguments I see used by multiboxers work both ways. The difference in the end gets down to how many people are affected negatively if there's no multiboxing and how many are negatively affected if there is.

[Stampelle123]

I've seen a lot of comments about Blizz vs here and pve vs pvp, etc. I haven't really seen anyone touch on this particular realm though and how it would effect it. Remember that the Warmane team has a very specific vision for what they want this realm to be. There was a reason that RDF was removed. Also why voting points were pulled and donor rewards were limited. They wanted people to actually do the leg work and build a group and go to that dungeon and have a real experience rather than just sit in town waiting for que. They want people to actually go out and do the quests and search for those things they want to complete their collection or get an achievement.

IMO with this particular realm, MBing can hurt the economy and progression. A MBer can have an easier time getting geared up because they don't have to struggle with who else in the group needs all of the loot. All of the loot is essentially going to one person. They can have it all and sell off the rest. Overtime they could amass wealth by exploiting the fact that there is no one in their group that is also needs the loot. They can fill their packs on each toon and sell off the junk and put a lot of extra gold into the economy. Plus they could potentially put a lot more into the AH and jack up the prices.

Also, if they were to camp an area for a while and kill all of the spawns that others need to complete quests, that can affect player progression. For example, a MBer could sit in Forest's Edge beating on Hogger and his gnolls and deprive others of the chance to complete 2 of their quests there. Someone might say, "go do other quests in a different area" and you would be right for the short term but with 1x rates you almost have to hit every quest in each zone to level enough to be effective in the next zone. Also, what if that other spot you go to happens to have another MB or just just too crowded to function because everybody else ran into the same issue and did the same thing.

Finally, I think multiboxing kind of thumbs its nose at the idea behind this game. This game is meant to be multiplayer, with people coming together and working together for mutual benefit. It relys on social concepts as well as game play to move the game along. They don't have to worry about who is going to roll Need on an item they want because they are the whole party. They don't worry about making a guild and deciding who is going to have what rank and the permission levels behind each rank. They don't have to worry about who might rip off the guild vault because they are the entire guild. Creating a guild is just another way to maximize their storage space and become more profitable. They don't have to cooperate with anyone else but themselves. They defeated half of the intended purpose of this game and made it more like Skyrim (using multiple companions).

In closing, I think multiboxers are bad for Lordaeron because they don't fit with the ideas behind this realm. They can play on Warmane's other realms if they still want to MB.

Plus, they can kill the enchanting economy by farming items soloing dungeons and raids.
Probably they can abuse many other professions and destroy the value of many items.
Can they fish with 30+ char all together? I don'know.


http://forum.warmane.com/showthread....s-or-no/page32

[Stampelle123]

You can't declare yourself "a regular player" when you're a multiboxer, sorry. As I said, you can only offer a biased opinion. You "don't see how it makes a difference" because you want to multibox. Do you think it's a coincidence that no multiboxer is coming here say there should be no multiboxing?

You can still play on all other servers if this is decided to not be allowed on Lordaeron.

"Why do you want to override what most players might want when their complains about multiboxers are way too frequent, enough to show it affects their game experience?"
All the arguments I see used by multiboxers work both ways. The difference in the end gets down to how many people are affected negatively if there's no multiboxing and how many are negatively affected if there is.

Override other payers is the very nature of multiboxing. Thats why they multibox. This thread is the proof of that.
The attitude and the goals of multiboxers are so near the ones of hackers/cheaters that more ppl should be concern of them.
Especially Warmane.


http://forum.warmane.com/showthread....s-or-no/page32

[wezcc]

You can't declare yourself "a regular player" when you're a multiboxer, sorry. As I said, you can only offer a biased opinion. You "don't see how it makes a difference" because you want to multibox. Do you think it's a coincidence that no multiboxer is coming here say there should be no multiboxing?

You can still play on all other servers if this is decided to not be allowed on Lordaeron.

"Why do you want to override what most players might want when their complains about multiboxers are way too frequent, enough to show it affects their game experience?"
All the arguments I see used by multiboxers work both ways. The difference in the end gets down to how many people are affected negatively if there's no multiboxing and how many are negatively affected if there is.

Excuse me? In what place are you to put yourself on a side? You're a Moderator, you're supposed to watch and listen.
By putting yourself in a side, you fired up whole lot of steam and you basically gave the players enough Serotonin and Dopamine to make them insult us even more because they'll be like "Oh Moderators are on our side, I guess if we insult them they wouldn't care". Good job dude.

[Stampelle123]

People also forget that there is immensive players playing on Lordaeron.6000 people,and without any donations (Atm) as Kaer stated their wealth or funds are being drained by Lordaeron.Obviously it cannot run on dry air.
150 coins per 1 item is ludacris,and they are aware that more then 35-40 coins per item will be immensivly expensive and alot of less people will donate,its meant as harder and tier 1 below but not impossible.
While it is hardcore realm you have to be aware 6000 people are using alot of resoruces (bandwith) and in general everything costs alot of money.Do not forget that fact that Lordaeron cannot run on dry air,neither any of such things can (in this case money).

Basicly you are saying: "I am paying so let me do whatever I wont"
Now I'm just waiting for donors-hackers to come out asking for the same treatment.


http://forum.warmane.com/showthread....s-or-no/page32

[wezcc]

Basicly you are saying: "I am paying so let me do whatever I wont"
Now I'm just waiting for donors-hackers to come out asking for the same treatment.

Well, you clearly don't understand the difference between Multiboxing and hacking, so let me just explain it, Hacking is modifying the game data to your advantage or botting as in not being in control of the character and they would still automate . Meanwhile Multiboxing, you're in full control and the characters are affected by your call, you don't modify any game data to your advantage, therefore making it far away from Hacking.
You're probably going to comment with some invalid statement as others did, and I believe it's because you just want to create any reason there is to get rid of us and these reasons and usually irrational aka Out of logic.

[Obnoxious]

Excuse me? In what place are you to put yourself on a side? You're a Moderator, you're supposed to watch and listen.
By putting yourself in a side, you fired up whole lot of steam and you basically gave the players enough Serotonin and Dopamine to make them insult us even more because they'll be like "Oh Moderators are on our side, I guess if we insult them they wouldn't care". Good job dude.

If you really believe people are stating their opinions based on mine, you haven't been paying attention.

Yes, I'm a Moderator, but I'm in no way forbidden from having my own opinion. While I might not go against administrative decisions, and will support them even if the conflict with my own, the moment a subject is brought up and opened to debate I'm allowed to take part in the discussion. If people actually push too far and start breaking rules, they will receive punishment despite their side in the debate. Of course, since it's a very polarizing topic, there might be a little bit of extra leeway for everyone - something for which you should be thankful, considering your previous disrespectful remark towards Staff.

[Aleastraszabcde]

Do you think it's a coincidence that no multiboxer is coming here say there should be no multiboxing?

Why would someone who likes to multibox vote against it? I don't think thats a coincidence, it's just logic.

I think if someone actually manages to level up a group of characters and! gear them on a 1x server without all insta-80 , xp boosts and coin shop he earned what he can do. It will probably take over a year before a multiboxer will be able to put some weight in PvE/PvP.
I manually leveled 25 characters on cataclysm after cata came out, i don't need to tell you how difficult it was to reach max level and it took me many many months of work before i had something. Before that i was getting ganked camped and owned all over the world. I never complained tho, because i knew my hard work would eventually pay off.
My original team on ragnaros (pre wipe) was awesome and took me over a year and a half of work to create.
Some people make it sound like we just open a can of characters and start raining fire and hell over eastern kingdom.

Please don't take away our right to multibox.

[Pallzdani]

im also single boxing.

Because we multiboxer are also part of the community

we multiboxer

Erm...Wut.

Please don't take away our right to multibox.

No one is taking away your right to Multibox...You have 6 other realms to go do it on...

[wezcc]

If you really believe people are stating their opinions based on mine, you haven't been paying attention.

Yes, I'm a Moderator, but I'm in no way forbidden from having my own opinion. While I might not go against administrative decisions, and will support them even if the conflict with my own, the moment a subject is brought up and opened to debate I'm allowed to take part in the discussion. If people actually push too far and start breaking rules, they will receive punishment despite their side in the debate. Of course, since it's a very polarizing topic, there might be a little bit of extra leeway for everyone - something for which you should be thankful, considering your previous disrespectful remark towards Staff.

Clearly you ignored my comment on disrespecting the IDEA of this argument, so again, I disrespected the idea not the staff, the staff are amazing, their development team says enough.
Taking a side fires up the steam, why'd you go public on it? you know the results of taking sides as a person with prestige. Going ham on about it is just gonna make things worse between the players and multiboxers which we are trying to AVOID, need I not remind you that if the team allows Multiboxers on Lordaeron there'll be a massacre between the players and Multiboxers? Exactly...
Again I don't mean any disrespect, I have good intentions :)

[Aleastraszabcde]

Erm...Wut.

If you click the url you can read a brief explanation of the meaning of the word "also".

http://www.englishpage.com/minitutorials/also.html

[Pallzdani]

If you click the url you can read a brief explanation of the meaning of the word "also".

http://www.englishpage.com/minitutorials/also.html

Funnily enough I know what 'also' means. Dont be a cheeky prick.
It's the effect he was trying to give is what I scoffed at. He is not looking at this as a normal player..he is looking at this as a person that multiboxes. End of.