City/PvP guards

[xkortiz]

Didn't read the whole thread, but the city guards are obviously broken, and it's shameful that instead of fixing them properly (i.e getting near common city NPCs, guards have a chance to spawn - take a look at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-HO...youtu.be&t=249 hundreds of guards spawning), you just did... this and killed city raids. It's properly reported on the bugtracker yet this was done because...? I don't know.

Shame.

[Michiel1234]

Dike please,tell me why do you want this option added so badly that you make false assumptions and claim they are true and give offensive answers to me, other users and moderators?

[Jakkre]

I have to agree with the previous poster. The dmg of the city guards is really broken. They never hit that hard on retail.

[DamnOriginal]

The "gear level" argument is silly, as if the retail population that would actually divert time to raid/infiltrate cities was wearing duct taped cardboard. What's even funnier is the ***-backwards fact that this inconveniences people in bad/regular gear far more than the BiS population, since they can't just one shot guards with their purple jizz powers.

The only real effect this nonsensical, custom tweak has is discouraging small scale PvP in cities, which is just unfortunate considering that's the kind of PvP a lot of PvP-ers enjoy and a lot of non-participants enjoy seeing, as opposed to a gigantic ball of nameplates consuming every NPC and PvP-tagged player alike, like some sort of dysfunctional katamari.

I don't know what kind of misguided logic led to the fruition of this anomaly but so far it has done nothing but alienate good PvPers and make 2-button spamming mongoloid herds feel right at home.

[Martijnhaah]

The "gear level" argument is silly, as if the retail population that would actually divert time to raid/infiltrate cities was wearing duct taped cardboard. What's even funnier is the ***-backwards fact that this inconveniences people in bad/regular gear far more than the BiS population, since they can't just one shot guards with their purple jizz powers.

The only real effect this nonsensical, custom tweak has is discouraging small scale PvP in cities, which is just unfortunate considering that's the kind of PvP a lot of PvP-ers enjoy and a lot of non-participants enjoy seeing, as opposed to a gigantic ball of nameplates consuming every NPC and PvP-tagged player alike, like some sort of dysfunctional katamari.

I don't know what kind of misguided logic led to the fruition of this anomaly but so far it has done nothing but alienate good PvPers and make 2-button spamming mongoloid herds feel right at home.

+1

insane that warmane on purpose breaks world/city pvp.
those BiS geared people you want to counter a little can handle the guards still, while the average lowbie gets raped. it kills the fun of having some 70 twinks etc. in the for the alliance raid aswell. (both small and big city pvp are hindered by it).
if you want to counter people lilling auction house for example just make them non-combat. I can not see the logi about breaking this ****.
the city guards were never intended to be hard to kill or something, except for the elites. (that is why normal guards are not elite, duhuh)

[Mercy]

i miss Sapphire so much, memory of her makes me crie evury tiem

I miss her too.

So, mods, you will still claim that this is working as intended, wont u?

Why does it matter to you what moderators have to say about it? Whether or not the mentioned issue is intended by the developers is not a judgement call the moderators can make. The best we can do on any such subject is to deliver the message (reasoning, etc.) from the development team. You can fire jabs at the moderators, or even gather together your torches and pitchforks, and go after them, but that won't help you any at all since the moderators have no say in development. Don't be silly.

I'd give my opinion as well, if it weren't irrelevant.

[Martijnhaah]

I miss her too.

Why does it matter to you what moderators have to say about it? Whether or not the mentioned issue is intended by the developers is not a judgement call the moderators can make. The best we can do on any such subject is to deliver the message (reasoning, etc.) from the development team. You can fire jabs at the moderators, or even gather together your torches and pitchforks, and go after them, but that won't help you any at all since the moderators have no say in development. Don't be silly.

I'd give my opinion as well, if it weren't irrelevant.

for this thread it is relevant, curious aswell for your opinion grace/sapphire/mercy (why the change... sapphire was best) :)

[Aderes]

OK let me see if i get it straight, from OP to some replies and my opinion aswell.

The OP is fine with the tweaked damage but he states that CC immunity is not PvP oriented (PS: thats why he keeps sending you to farm fos. because these mobs are not pve mobs, are pvp mobs)
CC is an important part of a group capability of PvP even in an invasion.
Maybe disable mind control, make the elites able to resist controlling.
either way, i share OP's PoV of this matter. PvP mobs (they defend, they wont defend from a pve guy lets get this thru our heads. People invading cities, WORLD PVP, is PvP not PvE) should be able to be "handled" as player characters. Of course not the faction leaders, but the minor guards, some of the elites.

PS: this thread is hell fun xD i lol'ed for minutes hahah

[johnnybgood89]

Sapphire left? :(

[Myxx]

Sapphire left? :(

Mercy is Sapphire....

Anyway, the guard tweak is terrible. Never should have been implemented. I remember when cross-faction whispers and mailing were removed because it wasn't retail like. Couple years later they JK us and make guards godlike (without any warning - I found out by being killed by 4 guards hitting me for 5k each on rogue). However, still not nearly as annoying as being crit for 35k from a hunter on a demo in sota for the past 4 years (when they work fine in ioc).

[dike]

I miss her too.

Why does it matter to you what moderators have to say about it? Whether or not the mentioned issue is intended by the developers is not a judgement call the moderators can make. The best we can do on any such subject is to deliver the message (reasoning, etc.) from the development team. You can fire jabs at the moderators, or even gather together your torches and pitchforks, and go after them, but that won't help you any at all since the moderators have no say in development. Don't be silly.

I'd give my opinion as well, if it weren't irrelevant.

Well, i dont think that devs deleted bugtracker report of this bug, cuz its status was - "confirmed".
this is current one, but text of report lacks any info https://www.warmane.com/bugtracker/report/1208 , as u can see in the comment section original bugtracker post was deleted http://bugtracker.warmane.com/issues/1805, dunno why - it was posted after the wipe, url is different from current one, but u know - u could simply move old post to a new bugtracker database without deleting it, since it was "confirmed". So for now i dont know what to do without your help, since only staff can help in this case - to make detailed bugtracker post with proofpicks fro OP-post and w8 for it to be deleted again, or w8ing for ur statement - that you made this mobs like this - to be immune to contror, to do some damage, which is insane for 75lvl NPC. I dont want to start forum war about such kind of things, because this is not bug, as one of mods stated (but now denies it). It's all yours now - either you can help us - bring devs, who made this tweak, let them tell us was this intended or random bug ( if bug - why bugtracker post disappeared) or u can delete this thread, ban me and pretend that nothing happened, like in a good ol' times

Damn it, im happy that someone finnaly got the point from OP post. I was really sad to read those PvE guys answers to stop pvp etc.

Dike please,tell me why do you want this option added so badly that you make false assumptions and claim they are true and give offensive answers to me, other users and moderators?

First - if someone reached level cap and is ungeared, its not my problems, but his. so if he except to not being constantly killed in bg (another story, u should just join any 3.3.5 bg to see it, bunch of ungeared fresh 80s even without blue crafted pvp gear), in city (if he doesnt want to be killed in capitals he can just toogle pvp off), or just outside in open world (well he took the risks to play on PVP server molten (warmane =D))
Second - yours another statement about me killing lowbies is complete bulllsh1t and attempt to troll me. Even if u needed to gank low-levels i wouldnt do it in capitals, i would just run into questing zones to bring massacre and madness for lowbies. But killing low-levels doesnt bring any kind of fun to me or someone who love world pvp, so plz stop ur trolling posts about it.
And, finally third one - what did u excpect from me - being polite and sh1t? I understand that probably u and me plaing on different expansions of WoW, so u have no clue about World PvP, 3.3.5a was last expac of WoW, where World PvP existed, but started to rot slowly into cata. I dont want to see WotLK realms dying, like cata or mop one (just looke at them-not a single soul outside capitals), cuz WoW WotLK is the game which i love and return even after 2 years break.
So if u still dont get it, or still wanna pretend that u're not a troll - plz either leave thread or stop posting such sh!t

[Mercy]

I do know where you're coming from, since I play on the Wrath realms myself as well.

Well, i dont think that devs deleted bugtracker report of this bug, cuz its status was - "confirmed".

Moderators haven't had privileges in the bug-tracker since the first bug-tracker, which has been gone for about 3 years now. I don't know about any reports having been deleted either, but if it hasn't already been reported in the new bug-tracker, please go ahead and do so.

I dont want to see WotLK realms dying

I've been involved in this game's community long enough to tell the difference between people who are just negative and hateful, and those who are just concerned about the direction the game's development is headed. I say this because I want you to know that the staff recognizes that quality.

[dike]

I say this because I want you to know that the staff recognizes that quality.

despite your efforts, ane of aspects of world pvp is dead now. Dont even try to blame me for ungratefulness, since im playing here almost from a begining, and i saw everything - how server was bugged as hell at start, was fixed, became most popular WOTLK server world-wide, almost died from some faggits this winter (nevar forget lel). So im really happy from taking participation in all of those things.
You, know that PvP is complex aspect of WoW and is important as much as PvE, u cant simply remove one thing from the complex and excpect it to be fine.
The stealth action in opposite faction city is one of those things - remove it and there is no more fun

[Mercy]

Dont even try to blame me for ungratefulness,

Blame is irrelevant and a useless venture to pursue. And so it will be left out of the discussion.

The stealth action in opposite faction city is one of those things - remove it and there is no more fun

It is also a remnant of the old development team. I figure there is at least some decent chance that it would be reconsidered.

[Ricks2]

That "our gear average is higher so the guards got boosted" argument is the worst argument I have ever seen. Who ever came up with that idea had a brain fart. It even makes some achievements incredibly hard (bloodsail/insane) and does literally nothing to world pvp besides being incredibly annoying. If someone wants to gank your lowbie *** for killing him, he WILL bother sitting outside town till you leave. But it did a great job at ruining city ganking and small group city PVP. If you wanna enter SW for pvp, you either gotta be a druid/rogue squad or come with a raid, so yea who ever came up with this idea deserves a medal.

Guards have been useless since TBC, they are supposed to be annoying, but they aren't supposed to be a 1shot execution team.