I dont have an opinion about this. But CC immunity is a really bad tweak. That I agree with OP.
On a side note, i thought this was a post to suggest or discuss a "tweak", not to discuss the name change of a moderator. I thought at least that was the aim here.
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This bug, tweak or whatever you'd like to call it is one of the reasons wpvp on Molten and now Warmane took a serious dive. I suppose most people first noticed this in Tanaris, at least on Deathwing since it was the most active pvp zone there. It pretty much went from an always active pvp zone to being a boring little town with a few people trying to get the members of the other faction to pull the guards and get run over. And nowadays there's nothing but sand there.
I think you have to realise that the circumstances then and now are not the same. So even if it was intended for the guards to be stronger or immune to cc, because you felt that any kind of city pvp should only be possible by big groups, it was a decision made with Molten's population which was twice as large as it is now. Now what you mostly have ARE the small pvp groups, and it is they that keep any kind of wpvp alive here. Sure ther are big city raids here and there, but they are too rare to even be worth the mention (and also being just one of the herd in a big zerg is really not as fun as going with a small group and holding a part of town for a while). So by all means, organise pvp events, chests or whatever, but also reconsider this decision if you want to have any kind of active wpvp.
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Cities are ment to be safe havens, you go there when you want to recover, not for World PvP, the only reason you should be in enemy capitals is slaying enemy leader or getting into RFC or Stockades, cut the crap about you wanting some skirmish, you want to stealth in and slay the guy who is standing little to the side, away from the AH/bank/dueling area crowd, possibly alt tabing, and not you lvl. If you want PVP, battegrounds, arena, contested areas
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Yeah... if you do not want to pvp, YOU DONT HAVE TO in cities.
You can flag and de-flag yourself for PVP.
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They are as you say, safe heavens, since you can choose whether you want to be pvp flagged or not.
Though the mere fact you think that the only reason one would have for going to an enemy city is to do the dungeons there or slay the boss paints you as a thorough PVE player. Which basically means that any input you might have on a topic about wpvp on a pvp server is completely irrelevant. The whole concept of an orderly pvp where you only do it in battlegrounds and arenas, and it never has any chance to inconvenience a poor pve player looking for a nice nap is just so incredibly boring, it actually reminds me of Monty Python's description of chartered accountancy. Oh, and I see that you mentioned contested areas. Well what about towns there? Or are they too ment to be safe havens where you can take a nap?
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The funnest game I ever played had very hard gate guards on every little town. What made it so fun is that anytime a superior raiding party came in, they HAD to get past the gate guards to come in so everyone joined in to help the gate guards (even up the battle). Very similar to how people all join in when the ogrimmar or stormwind boss gets attacked. Also then if someone wanted to flee or sit in a relatively safe area, they'd sit in the room with the gate guards. World PvP would be its funnest if all gate/town guards were bosses of varying toughness.
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Contested area town guards are **** and spread out, a single 80 can clear Grom gol and sit in it for hours, bravely one shoting those 30s-40s. Some epic pvp m8. You have the goddamn forums, and guys like Protearan, arrange some raids, battles, kite a ****ing boss to capital, sneaking into a town to kill someoen who forgot to toggle pvp off is not world pvp, as much as your hurt butt wants it to be
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My absolute favorite response LOL
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Oh, poor thing! Is that what happened to you? Someone killed you while you were afk, or at least that's what you told yourself afterwards while rocking on your bed in a fetal position. The more I read your responses the more you remind me of people that whine about Warmane not having a pve realm or those guys that open the eternal "I got ganked is this bannable?" topics.
During this whole discussion you keep mentioning these supposed people that only go to towns to gank afk people and low levels. Now tell me, do you really think that people who want easy wins would go into an enemy town filled with enemy players with a small group of people? And I'm not talking about stealth classes here. But you probably do, because well.. they've killed you that one time.
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Me and my friend had arena team Grom gol camp gankers. Man it was so cool. Kill flying vendor then the rest and you wait for 80 to come...
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Yes, ppl go to enemy capitals for easy kills, why ? Cuz nobody expects you there. I remember watching some duels outside Org once with my detect hidden on, and I saw a rouge on the map slaying dudes who didnt toggle pvp off, also watching the duels, from a far. When I fired a flare, he ran. Brave *** pvper. Aye, I think I was killed many times in towns, when I was afk and not, and now Im a 80-kill-enemy-on-sight-whatever-lvl-he-is. Ive been invited many times by fellow guildies to go to Org Spirit Valley entrance and troll unsuspecting enemies, and Im positive, and I always will be, that anyone complaining about OP guards, has tried to grief the enemy, not fight him fairly, not engage in some awesome world PVP, but plain, vicious, simple grief and was hindered by the guards. Guards in the capital are meant to be hard, cuz its the blasted capital, and they have to compensate somehow for all the ******s sitting in front of the AH, doing jackshiite. Guards in low lvl quest areas are OP so enemy faction cant overtake the town and sit in it, preventing questing. Yes, some ppl want to quest also
Edited: July 22, 2015 Reason: forgot some sht
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Leld from yours example with rogue. What did you expect? That he wouldnt run to restealth and, instead, he would fight u in duel zone, where all those guys like u are sitting with toogled off pvp flag w8ing to attack that rogue? =D man leave pvp topic plz, there is no place here for u
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Meanwhile...
Stuff happens.
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The Insane
Warmane is so blizz- like ...cough we are making the realm without rdf and ss. Oh and we wont add transmog option cuz its not blizzlike. And we tweaked city guards cuz.... whaaaaaaa?
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As stated previously, the city guard thing is not new, and it is a remnant of the old developer team. Much like the custom change to Sacred Shield, which was reverted and fixed by the current development team.
Also, Lordaeron may be semi-blizzlike, but that is not the goal of the realm. Some changes to the game are considered necessary, but it is intended to be a hardcore realm, not a fun server. Being snide is not necessary. I've been kind towards posters in this thread so far. I'd appreciate it if this sort of behavior ceased.
